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Growing tobacco like its 1688.

minor set back, put them outside today... during the rainiest day in months lol.

we have gotten like 2 inches of rain today, so im sure that 100% of the fertilizer charge has been washed out.
 
first sunny day today... they got like 5 solid hours of direct sunlight before they were shaded by the houses soffits... no wilting.
 
they seem to be far more robust than they look.
 
ive been watering them at 3mS, and they seem to thrive, ill top them up with a new fertilizer charge tomorrow and take some new pics.
 
Neat glog! I'd like to try growing some tobacco one day ... and maybe tomacco!
 
tomacco2.jpg

 
http://www.snpp.com/news/tomacco.html
 
My god, how did I not know about this?
 
Tomacco
 
The process of making tomacco was first revealed in a 1959 Scientific American article, which stated that nicotine could be found in the tomato plant after grafting. Due to the academic and industrial importance of this breakthrough process, this article was reprinted in a 1968 Scientific American compilation.
 
The creator assumed a deadly level, but apparently someone ate one that was auctioned off on Ebay, with no ill effect. Zero information on actual nicotine levels, and a dead end trying to obtain the original 1959 article, or the following one.
 
 
I feel....
 
 
this has to be done again.
 
In the name of science. Yeah, science.
 
still settling in here at the new place. 
Been to target like... every day for the last 3, hand towels, shower curtains... those little skirt things that go around the box spring, etc... all stupid shit you never think of until you need them. 
 
anyway, the plants made it here fine, some damage, but not much.  they are starting to yellow atm, due the the aformentioned loss of fertilizer charge.
 
biggest issue i see moving forward with these fellas, is the fantastically hard water we have here in college station... im reading like .9 mS.... thats like 2-3x the conductivity in houston.
 
IDK if this is due to carbonate, however i CAN say that soap films... take like 3 washings to remove from my skin? IE i wash my face, and it remains slimy with soap film despite working three handfuls of water into my ugly face. same brand of soap.
 
idk why yet.
 
i might have to resort to just osmocoting these, and ocassionally blasting them with chelates . 
 
ill get some pics up soonish.
 
If you're planning on smoking it, I suggest that you declorinate your water as best as you can.  It affects burnability.
 
eh, not that i dont believe you, but can you support that? 
i ask because it sounds like, " stoner lore" , or something widly circulated to be fact, but unsupported by any real science.
like starving cannabis plants during the end of flowering? tho i do understand that "flushing" improves colors like purples etc, as a result.
however flushing to remove salts from plant tissue is bullshit, it may serve other very valid needs, such as aiding in curing etc, but it most certainly does not do what most claim it does.
 
i add tons of ionic chlorine to my plants all the time, in the form of KCl, potassium chloride. however bleach, or cal-hypo, and chlorine dioxide, are not disinfecting with elemental chlorine.
 
perhaps you are referring to elemental chlorine effecting the tobacco? thats plausible i supose, plants uptake it fairly readily from what i recall, and it does show up on plant tissue tests.
 
 
also i should clarify that "osmocoting" is a made up verb... its a slow release fertilizer brand. IDK if this is the case but... did you think i misspelled smoking?
 
hot stuff said:
http://www.suncotobacco.com/leaf-cigarette.php go to combustability

no I didn't think you mispelled anything. Was just alerting you to something you may not have considered.
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you are correct, it is something i had not considered.
 
thanks for pointing this out. but here, ill quote the info directly for others.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Chlorides:
High level of chlorine in leaf inhibits leaf burn or combustibility. The chlorine content of leaf must be preferably less than 1.5% but should never exceed 2%. Chlorine content is positively correlated with deterioration of color. High chloride content in leaf leads to dull muddy orange color with sour or linoleum smell. Further, such leaf due to its moisture holding capacity bruises easily and tends to develop `off-color'. These characteristics render this type of leaf to be of low value for cigarette manufacture. Chlorine acts as a negative combustion catalyst in tobacco.
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they are referring to the ionic specie of chlorine, Cl-, not chlorine from disinfection.
thanks for pointing that out, as this effects my fertilizer choices going forward... i suppose i may have to drop the KCl.
 
I need to read up tho, as idk how much chloride is needed to see a 2% content in tissue... perhaps it requires insane amounts, tho perhaps not.
 
little update.


still in solo cups, tho beyond being unstable in wind, they dont seem to mind.

here's how they were... like 8-31 i think, prior to packing them up into a car, and driving like 100 miles.




immediatly, upon putting these outside, i have started to see damage from chewing insects. not sure who the culprit is yet, but i shall keep an eye on the situation.



heres how they are tonight... sorry for the poor photo. this was taken under a yellowish outdoor light.



they did get beat up a bit, some leaves got bent etc, but otherwise they seem to not have minded much.
this weekend i will put them up into 1 gallon bags. i bought some perlite to do the job, going to use my last block of coco for this job.

ill have to get some more prior to transplanting them into 3 gallon bags. as far as i know... there are 0 hydro stores in college station/bryan texas... so IDK where to look locally for the big cheap coco coir blocks. any ideas?

also regarding hot stuffs comments on chlorine... i learned some interesting, and somewhat disheartening news.

accorting to the water reports i found, collegestation/bryan texas has just awful quality water. its a tad harder than houston, in terms of carbonate... but in addition to the carbonate, its loaded with sodium like 190mg/l , and most importantly about 50mg/l Chlorine...
like i said, conductivity is .9mS.

so im guessing thats bad news. the tobacco, should it ripen would likely suffer from the excess chlorine? i have not jar tested the fertilizer solution i was using perviously, in this water yet... im guessing its going to be ugly, but perhaps not too bad.

i might buy some yara tropicote or something, if i dont get enough calcium into the solution, and top dress ocassionally...
alternativly i could try osmocote + calcinit etc, tho i would prefer not to.
 
RO is kind of expensive, but there are some DIY sand/rock/carbon filtres you can make on the cheap, relatively speaking.
 
i have an ro unit in houston, but im not interested in the hassle.
unless the water is absolutly impossible to work with, im just going to deal with it, just requires some patience, and experimentation.
 
interesting. 1/4" gravel for what, a dwc?

pretty sure i want to stick to the coir tho. couldnt be a simpler set up with the fertigation system.

ive got a light semester atm, but that wont be the case in the spring... so the few hours i spend fussing the better.
 
k so sorry for the slow updates. ive been shooting photos whenever it feels appropriate... just not posting them on the reg.

so heres the plants on... 9/7... after a terrible car ride, and about 1 week in the shade without much attnetion and 0 fertilizer.
this is JUST after they were transplanted, so i droped some damaged leaves, etc. yea they look a little ragged.




its interesting... ONLY the leaves that matured in the shade wilt during full blast sunlight.


heres some root porn, after i pulled them out of the solo cups. the roots are very delicate. the pic makes them look more robust than they really are.




here they are this afternoon.



its storming hard here... about 2inches of rain thus far... hopefully they are still there tomorrow morning!


this is my first fertilizer batch...
see that shit in the bottom?



precipitated calcium carbonate most likely.

i solved like 90% of the issue by dropping the calcium to 120mg/l and dropping the ph some more.

its really too bad i dont have a rain barrel... as i could have collected like hundreds of gallons on today alone.
 
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