Sucks livin' in 'da ghetto!

[Proud Marine Dad]

Yes I'm from the Haystack and its now become the ghetto. I moved from there in 99. I go there once a month and to be honest I do not miss it at all. I have good memories from the 60's and 70's. But after that its gone downhill. I'm glad you have a mossberg !!!

I know what you mean. I was born here in 1961 and it was a nice city up until the late 80's and early 90's.
I live in the Fairway Park area so we are a little better than some areas.

Back OT
 
I would question why PMD only has one shot gun?
Im conservative,we have 11 easily accessible arms from one end of the house to the other
4 of them are shot guns
2100sq' single story house for perspective

I used to have more but now its the Mossberg 500 loaded with 3" 00 buck, and my S&W .45 ACP. I have a .22-250 Ruger heavy barrel varmint rifle with a 6-18x Burris scope as well. That would be more for sniping though. Haha

 

[Pfeffer]

10 rounds of 5.56 is no less effective than 30..

 

[TNKS]

Its only good if its handy
Nothing in my gun safes are worth jack when a situation kicks off
Im armed when I mow my yard and there is a .40 just out side the shower door
 
Not paranoid at all,Im well armed and train 2-3 times per month
FWIW there is more to playing Paintball then given credit for,training is shooting at things that shoot back
Punching holes in paper is limited once you add stress

 

[Phil]

10 rounds of 5.56 is no less effective than 30..

 
Unless it's locked in a gun safe, unloaded. Guns are useless for self/home defense if they aren't readily accessible... unless you're lucky enough to have advance notice that you're going to need it.

 

[sicman]

After reading all of those comment I'm happy that I live somewhere as peaceful, crime rate is really really low, I've never heard gun shot , except when I hunt, or target shoot, never in my city. 
 
Still I have my 1911, my ar-15 in my vault with mag ready if something happen.

who said it's not peaceful where I live. People don't think,just cause I hear shots every day doesn't mean it's not peaceful.

 

[charlesquik]

you can have an AR in canada? what about all that bullet button garbage?

 
Of course you can have AR in Canada, you just need another layer of licence (restricted licence) and mag are restricted to 5 rounds ( 10 rounds if you use mag made for ar-15 pistol, this is a loophole in the law hopefully) like for exemple we can only have 10 bullets in pistol mag so u can get a .40 mag that fit the 9mm gun and put 9mm bullet in it so u have like 13 or 14 bullet of 9mm instead of 10. 
 
Anyways guns laws in Canada are a headache.

 

[Pfeffer]

Here gun laws are strict, I only have a K98 (.30-06) and "my" G3 and HK P8.. all unloaded and in a safe. Wouldn't want to use them on a burglar.. Just take my money and leave. Blowing someone's brains out over a dvd player is not worth 5 years of therapy for you and your family, trust me. Taking a life is not as easy as it seems.

Probably a cultural difference, but I don't know of any burglaries with Victims that could be fend off with a gun. But If you have to, indeed use OO buck instead of rifles with FMJ.. much safer for your neighbours.

 

[charlesquik]

Here gun laws are strict, I only have a K98 (.30-06) and "my" G3 and HK P8.. all unloaded and in a safe. Wouldn't want to use them on a burglar.. Just take my money and leave. Blowing someone's brains out over a dvd player is not worth 5 years of therapy for you and your family, trust me. Taking a life is not as easy as it seems.

Probably a cultural difference, but I don't know of any burglaries with Victims that could be fend off with a gun. But If you have to, indeed use OO buck instead of rifles with FMJ.. much safer for your neighbours.

I understand but you don't have to shoot except if he is armed, which is another problem. Burglars usually only have knife so I think he will think twice before assaulting you while aiming a gun at him. But yeah its not much help because me and you have unloaded guns in safe.

 

[Hawaiianero]

I don't keep guns in my house, too many kids around here. I figure if someone's stupid enough to get up in my face with his gun or knife I can just take it away from him.
Close combat training guys, it keeps firing when you don't have bullets. 
Don't get me wrong, I love my shotgun but won't keep it in the house. Laws are funny, over here I can shoot a guy invading my house but if I shoot him after he ran out the door I'd be accused of manslaughter. 
Also, I have enough wild and crazy neighbors who would come running if they heard anything going on and vice versa.

 

[sicman]

Oh no we have a charlie bronson in the house,lol.

 

[TNKS]

LOL,I live in Texas and we still shoot thieves
A thief has no regard for their life,try to steal from me and youll understand my locked doors and gates were for your protection
and you will likely be killed for your efforts.
 
FWIW,big buck shot for defense is extreme over kill unless your in combat.
#6 Birdshot in any gauge will get the job done inside 10 meters(home defense)
Endangering innocents and their property by "over kill rounds" will not end well in court.
CCL's are basic knowledge permits and like Drivers licenses are very dangerous when held by a HUGE portion
of the American population.

 

[Pfeffer]

I understand it's a cultural thing and a way of life, but there are so many people that should not be allowed to own Guns (or children for that matter..). Also if everyone carries a gun, you're far more likely to walk into an armed opponent. Than you just get an negative violence spiral.. so I understand why you use firearms for protection, but I'm very happy we don't need it here.

And shooting some one over a dvd player is not worth it. You're quite likely to end up with PTSD. Beating the crap out of them is a whole different story, and much more satisfying..

But on the other hand, if a foreign nation invades I would be more than willing to pull an MG3 out of the grease again. But zipping someone with 120 rounds of 7.62x51 is a bit much over some materials that you can buy again..

 

[TNKS]

One does not grow up to their teen year and then start robbing and killing folks,twenty years ago I probably wouldnt believe such
Todays thugs learn it virtually from birth and are extremely dangerous by their early teens,you stop their heart and you stop the hate.
If they are not stopped there will be other victims that suffer loss,story's like Mike Brown are how the system works
 
You only get so many do-overs before natural selection takes you out

 

[queequeg152]

haha, call me a coward, but i with our EU brethren. unless i had friends/family or what ever... if someone breaks in? im out the window with my phone and that black case thing that has my rifle... fuck the chance of getting into a shoot out or what ever. i dont even have anything worth protecting.
my computer and rifle are probably the most expensive single things that a guy could walk of with. my welding machine costs a grip, but it weighs like 70+ lbs.
ive been to the range like 10 times in my life. mostly shooting my 22. not interested in that encounter.  

But on the other hand, if a foreign nation invades I would be more than willing to pull an MG3 out of the grease again. But zipping someone with 120 rounds of 7.62x51 is a bit much over some materials that you can buy again..

 
wait, what? explain this statement plz.
 
out of the grease? like out of cosmoline? that nasty crap that they cover milsurp guns with?
you say again?

 
Of course you can have AR in Canada, you just need another layer of licence (restricted licence) and mag are restricted to 5 rounds ( 10 rounds if you use mag made for ar-15 pistol, this is a loophole in the law hopefully) like for exemple we can only have 10 bullets in pistol mag so u can get a .40 mag that fit the 9mm gun and put 9mm bullet in it so u have like 13 or 14 bullet of 9mm instead of 10. 
 
Anyways guns laws in Canada are a headache.

 
not that awful honestly. i got the impression you folks were not down with mag fed semi autos.

 

[Proud Marine Dad]

LOL,I live in Texas and we still shoot thieves
A thief has no regard for their life,try to steal from me and youll understand my locked doors and gates were for your protection
and you will likely be killed for your efforts.
 
FWIW,big buck shot for defense is extreme over kill unless your in combat.
#6 Birdshot in any gauge will get the job done inside 10 meters(home defense)
Endangering innocents and their property by "over kill rounds" will not end well in court.
CCL's are basic knowledge permits and like Drivers licenses are very dangerous when held by a HUGE portion
of the American population.

I use 00 buck because an expert on home defense who's book I read recommended that round.
He's a retired Los Angeles detective, forensics specialist, etc so he has seen a few home defense scenarios.
I have also talked to police officers who said the same thing so I am confident it is not overkill.

 

[Pfeffer]

Yep, if duty calls.. Preservation grease figurely speaking.

 

[Proud Marine Dad]

haha, call me a coward, but i with our EU brethren. unless i had friends/family or what ever... if someone breaks in? im out the window with my phone and that black case thing that has my rifle... f**k the chance of getting into a shoot out or what ever. i dont even have anything worth protecting.

What if they are breaking in with intent to hurt you and your family? A little different scenario.

 

[queequeg152]

definatly different, but as i am now? poor without anything but cheap crap? im out that window.
 
why do you think i only rent first floor rooms? haha.

Yep, if duty calls.. Preservation grease figurely speaking.

 
you said again tho? this made me think wtf war is he talking about. 
 
are you from czech?

 

[TNKS]

Better read a more current "book"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyI99A_YtB8
 
There are HUNDREDS MORE that speak the same truths
 
Pay close attention to the statement "The ILLUSION OF KNOWLEDGE"

I use 00 buck because an expert on home defense who's book I read recommended that round.
He's a retired Los Angeles detective, forensics specialist, etc so he has seen a few home defense scenarios.
I have also talked to police officers who said the same thing so I am confident it is not overkill.

Im of the believe all infringements of my space are "harm to me"
I would never run from defending my place on this earth,breach a secured boundary,force your physical postion inside those lines
and you will be killed.My wife and I both agree on complete/total immobilization of all threats,wounding is not to be tolerated.
Trying not to shoot the dogs that will already be engaged is our primary objective,yes I have two that will most definitely engage an intruder(they are Level 1 Trained to do it) they are also pretty awesome SAR K-9's otherwise

What if they are breaking in with intent to hurt you and your family? A little different scenario.

 

[Proud Marine Dad]

Better read a more current "book"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyI99A_YtB8
 
There are HUNDREDS MORE that speak the same truths
 
Pay close attention to the statement "The ILLUSION OF KNOWLEDGE"

Im of the believe all infringements of my space are "harm to me"
I would never run from defending my place on this earth,breach a secured boundary,force your physical postion inside those lines
and you will be killed.My wife and I both agree on complete/total immobilization of all threats,wounding is not to be tolerated.
Trying not to shoot the dogs that will already be engaged is our primary objective,yes I have two that will most definitely engage an intruder(they are Level 1 Trained to do it) they are also pretty awesome SAR K-9's otherwise

Saw those a long time ago. They don't "prove" anything. The FBI tests show a different story so I will rely on them not some redneck with a pork roast that isn't coming at you on meth or PCP.