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Yep - filtering can strip the flavour a little, and the equipment costs money, but in such a highly saturated market that is craft beer, you can't afford not to.
 
I don't know about over there, but capital purchases for a business are tax deductible.. 
 
#temporarybrewery
 
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Pretty good ...

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I was in a PC today ...

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Felt dirty ... need a shower ... lol.

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Easy-quaffer ...

It's better than the other dessert-like one of theirs, the Peanut Butter Porter ...

And better than that other blue/black canned milk stout I posted a few weeks ago ...
 
Ozzy2001 said:
After you've done one, you've kind of done them all.
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I couldn't disagree more!
 
 
12%+ dark beer ...
 
Sours ...
 
Open-Fermented ...
 
Fruit Beer ...
 
Uber-light pilsner ...
 
 
 
There's a lot of forms of hard ...
It just depends on how closely you hold yourself to nailing it!
 
grantmichaels said:
 
I couldn't disagree more!
 
 
12%+ dark beer ...
 
Sours ...
 
Open-Fermented ...
 
Fruit Beer ...
 
Uber-light pilsner ...
 
 
 
There's a lot of forms of hard ...

It just depends on how closely you hold yourself to nailing it!
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I agree with what you're saying but at the end of the day you mash at x temp for x time. You boil for x mins. You make a x sized starter and pitch x yeast. Ferment at x temp for x days etc.
the process is generally the same. It's just different equations. Granted dry hopping, adding flavors etc, adds another step.
Once you've done the basic steps a few times, it's really not that challenging to add some of those extra steps.
 
Ozzy2001 said:
I agree with what you're saying but at the end of the day you mash at x temp for x time. You boil for x mins. You make a x sized starter and pitch x yeast. Ferment at x temp for x days etc.
the process is generally the same. It's just different equations. Granted dry hopping, adding flavors etc, adds another step.
Once you've done the basic steps a few times, it's really not that challenging to add some of those extra steps.
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Sometimes you have to step mash and hit different temp's to get different stuff in one mash ... there's techniques useful for various end-results wanted ...
 
Side-mashing, mash capping, rests for beta-glucans ... let alone decoction mashing ... pH during the mash is a thing, certainly ...
 
There's stuff for the boil, too ... like for doing a Scottish beer, being prepared to pull a percentage and run a hard boil on it to generate extra maillard's to mix it back in ...
 
You need a pretty consummate tool-bag of drinks for primary for the big one's ... starting cool to minimize esters etc, then raising so things finish out without premature flocc'ing ... nutrients and timing of ...
 
Oxygen and aeration ...
 
Fining ...
 
Filtering ...
 
Shit, carbonating too ...
 
I mean, from what I was reading last night, you need to make a starter like 5 days in advance for a good pitch of brett, starting with half the wort, and feeding it in the middle, and then finally letting it rest on the counter for a couple of days ...
 
I dunno man ... there's a lot of ways to get beer, but it seems to be really important to nail almost all of it to make the truly great beer ...
 
Again, lol I don't disagree with you. You can make anything you do super complicated if you want to. I'm not saying any of us are pro either. Hell, I'm barely amateur. Basically what I was saying is don't be afraid to try something new. Just read up on it beforehand and do your best. Will it be Bourbon County quality? Hell no. But it will probably be pretty good and you'll learn something and probably do better next time :)
 
Ozzy2001 said:
Again, lol I don't disagree with you. You can make anything you do super complicated if you want to. I'm not saying any of us are pro either. Hell, I'm barely amateur. Basically what I was saying is don't be afraid to try something new. Just read up on it beforehand and do your best. Will it be Bourbon County quality? Hell no. But it will probably be pretty good and you'll learn something and probably do better next time :)
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Usually when I see something differently, it's an issue of time-orientation on my end ...
 
I have to make each batch count, not because of ingredient cost, but because of the value of the time spent ...
 
For me, I have to do everything I can, every time ... it doesn't affect the timeline all that much at the end of the day, and there's so much more time that ends up getting sunk into interesting beer beyond the brew day! ...
 
Each time you have to make a batch of sanitizer, changing the blow-off tube -> airlock (if you bother, I stopped), checking gravity, racking to secondary, dry-hopping, crashing, filtering/fining, racking again to bottle or carbonate in a keg it's more time ...
 
My brew day really gets extended when I try to lump those other activities on brew day, too, which only compounds the time crunch issue ...
 
So ... for me ... because free-time is the rate limiting step to my getting better, I feel a lot of pressure to try to do everything right ...
 
I try to do everything the best I can when I'm going it as well.  What I'm saying though, is that it comes down to the 10,000 hrs thing.  The only way you get better is by "doing" it.  You obviously have to research, prepare, and plan to do your best.  I do that as well.  Every batch is the best I can do each time with what I have.  Once I get that down, I try to introduce another aspect.  While, I may eventually filter, I don't right now.  There are other things I don't do yet, that I will.  But now, I'm focused on getting the basic process down, and trying different styles.  
 
Think of anything that you have put the 10k hrs into.  It doesn't all happen at once.  I could have somebody watch me put a handrail in at work 100 times, but until you do it, all the watching doesn't mean anything.  An even when you do attempt it and complete it there are still nuances to it that aren't worth me explaining yet.  I just try to simplify anything to the basics and work up from there.  All the fining, crashing, and filtering isn't going to do sh!t if I don't sparge correctly.  And I get where you are coming from trying to min/max everything you do to get the best product.  But time is sparse for me as well, and I would just feel that I wasted my time doing all the nuance steps if I don't have the fundamentals down yet.  
 
It is "craft" beer at the end of the day.  I'm just working on my craft ;)
 
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