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PaulG 2019

No grow log for the 2018 season other than the Pimenta de Neyde x Bonda Ma Jacques
thread dedicated to Trippa's cross. That one is an ongoing community project going into
second year and a test of the F7 generation. I imagine I will mention it once-in-a-while in
this thread, but the details of its progress will be in the dedicated thread.
 
I am deciding on a grow list for the 2019 season after growing only Trippa's cross this
season (2018). I definitely have some old favorites that will comprise the great majority
of the grow. I have limited space, so I'm counting on nature to help me make the final
decision. I'll probably start lots of seeds since I'm gun-shy from the poor germination
rates the past couple of seasons.
 
Here's the pool. Would be nice to be able to grow a bunch of all of them!  I think my
neighbor will shelter the overflow in his yard, but we'll see what to plant and how many
based on what might germinate  :rofl:
 
c. chinese - 10 varieties: 
  • PdN x BMJ, F7, white and violet varieties, Trippa's cross
  • Fatali, F2 of seed from Pepper Joe's
  • 7 Pot Burgundy, brown phenotype, pecan shape from 2017 F2 of the 7PB from Windchicken 
  • Scotch Bonnet, MoA, F2 of seeds from John/Sim, not high production, but some nice pods
  • JA Red Habanero, F5 of seed from Walk Good/Devv
  • Yellow Scorpion, F7 aka Yellow Trinidad Moruga Scorpion and CARDI Scorpion, from Spankycolts plant 2012
  • Bhut Jolokia, Red, F4, from Spankycolts plant 2012
  • Bhut Jolokia, Chocolate, F3 of seed from Georgia Growhead
  • Bhut Jolokia, hybrid, F2 - I believe it is a  (BJred) x (Pdn x BMJ F1 or F2)
  • Yellow 7 Pot, F2 of seed from Trippa 2013
c. annuum - 4 varieties:
  • JA Red Mushroom, F3, brown phenotype, seed from Refining Fire
  • Pimenta de Padron - Spanish seed, fry up while small and green, throw on some salt
  • Pimenta del Piquillo - Spanish seed, sweet, very flavorful, small stuffers
  • Guindilla - Spanish seed, spicy heat, great pickled, long and skinny
c. frutescens - 2 varieties:
  • Nagahari from Tezpur, India, supposedly very, very hot freebie from Pepper Joe's 2017
  • Chili Costa Rica, F2 (2014) from Hippy Seed Company seed, 2012
c. pubescens - 1 variety:
  • Red Rocoto, F3 of Peruvian Market seed, 2016
That about does it. Seeding time will be here before we know it!
 
 
 
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Devv said:
Everything is looking good Paul!
 
I guess all of us have thang for the purple in the plants. They certainly are purdy ;)
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I already have a pet Moruga x Reaper and a pet 7-pot Primo with purple stems :)
 
Funny how out of a room with a couple thousand seelings poking up, one or two always manage to catch my eye and become "pets"
 
I still have a moruga scorpion from last year growing in my windowsill. Sole survivor of the "potting soil test holocaust" - this is one tough plant.
 
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Done nothing but water it for the last year. That was from soil mix C, which was so ridiculously strong that it killed 99.9% of plants it came in contact with. (The kelp meal and blood meal cooked off, making it strong ammonia, and the bone meal jacked up the pH so damn high that total nutrient lockout occurred). I have no damn idea how this plant managed to survive so long with only periodic watering, but it shows how strong that soil was, that it's still alive a year later in the same stuff it was first transplanted to.
 
Anyway, that one is technically the wife's "pet" - she pulled the sad little critter out of the boneyard a couple weeks after I'd tossed the pots in a dark corner, when she noticed it was still alive, and brought it upstairs to set in the windowsill. 
 
TrentL said:
 
Ok that backstory is interesting. It looks like it almost certainly crossed with a purple annuum of some sort? Whenever I've had chinense/annuum cross the taste of the resulting hybrid was horribly bitter (the "Habapeno s*** pepper" as they came to be known among my buddies that I crossed one year on a whim comes to mind, as does a cayenne x random unknown chinense donor another time). 
It is a chinense cross, Trent, I had no purple annuums in my grow. Tristen's PdN cross was the only purple plant.
What do these taste like? Sweet No, but not unpleasant, sometimes a hint of fruitiness and hot Oh, yeah  :fireball:  ? Is there a 7-pot / bhut smell yes to the pods? How thick is the flesh? Bhut-like. It is mostly a BJ-type pod with some of the purple traits and shades of red overtones. Prone to any rotting on the plant No.  ? Stems solid or brittle? No problems with branches breaking.Much variety in pheno Just what the pictures above show..or sample size too small to know? I had four plants Looks like they grow tall and spindly Again, like a BJ like a purple Jalapeno plant.
 
So many wild variables come in to play going cross species that finding a nice stable hybrid may be tough. We'll see, since it is a chinense x chinense, it may settle out fast like Tristen's PdNxBMJ cross did. I have a few more seeds. I may try to do a wider grow of it next season, like 4-6 plants, along with some of the 2019 seed, if it comes to that. Maybe I'll try a few more this season since I'm starting the Sri Lanka Reds pretty late.
 
I can definitely give them a dirt test to see how they stand up to fusarium wilt, bacterial leaf spot, and sclerotinia sclerotiorum. Had all three pathogens in the field last year. (Plants innoculated with mycorrhizae withstood 100% of the resident fungus, while those which didn't get inoculated had a lot of culls during field walks) That would be cool to see, Trent.
 
Part of the reason I'm growing so many varieties this year is to see how each specific variety handles our native Illinois soil pathogens vs. potted isolated control plants. So I'd definitely be interested in testing new varieties if your plant makes it this year! You will be first on the list, Trent. Thanks for taking an interest in the BJ hybrid. I hope to get enough seeds for several growers to try next season.
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Thanks for the answers Paul sorry to bombard with so many questions. :)
 
I'm kind of in the camp that PDN is a chinense / annuum cross, but just speculation. 
 
Just going off pics alone, I'd have sworn there would have to be some annuum genetics mixed in there with that BJ. 
 
Kind of like farmers Jalapeno, most everyone lists it as a capsicum annuum but .. the plant grows fur like a baccatum. We know jalapeno is annuum but I would bet big $$ it's crossed with a baccatum. Crossing baccatum with annuums is a very low % rate thing, according to everything I've read, something to the order of 2-3% chance of having viable offspring. Getting one that is stable? That's rare. On my website I listed seeds for FM Jalapeno as baccatum, since the plants don't look like any other annuum I've ever grown.
 
Without knowing really if PDN is a cross like some folks think it is, still has me wondering if one of the BJ's grandparents had annuum in it? 
 
How fast does fruit set on the BJ compared to other chinense? About the same or earlier?
 
 
TrentL said:
Thanks for the answers Paul sorry to bombard with so many questions. :)
 
I'm kind of in the camp that PDN is a chinense / annuum cross, but just speculation. 
 
Just going off pics alone, I'd have sworn there would have to be some annuum genetics mixed in there with that BJ. 
 
Kind of like farmers Jalapeno, most everyone lists it as a capsicum annuum but .. the plant grows fur like a baccatum. We know jalapeno is annuum but I would bet big $$ it's crossed with a baccatum. Crossing baccatum with annuums is a very low % rate thing, according to everything I've read, something to the order of 2-3% chance of having viable offspring. Getting one that is stable? That's rare. On my website I listed seeds for FM Jalapeno as baccatum, since the plants don't look like any other annuum I've ever grown.
 
Without knowing really if PDN is a cross like some folks think it is, still has me wondering if one of the BJ's grandparents had annuum in it? 
 
How fast does fruit set on the BJ compared to other chinense? About the same or earlier?
 
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Isnt a BJ a Frutescenes and Chinense cross? It does have more Chinense in it, but it is definitely a cross. Also from most trees I found online Frutescenes and Annum are pretty closely related
 
If you have joined Rich's Growers Collective be
sure to check out the link to Infernochili he
posted.  Most informative and interesting.
 
The diagram is interesting in and of itself,
 
SpeakPolish said:
Isnt a BJ a Frutescenes and Chinense cross? It does have more Chinense in it, but it is definitely a cross. Also from most trees I found online Frutescenes and Annum are pretty closely related
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I thought all purple flowered plants were pubescens or eximium (or hybrids thereof)? E.g. purple jalapeno I thought was a pubescens/annuum cross originally.
 
Crossing chinense and frutescenes is as difficult as annuum / baccatum too. Not many viable seeds come off that in the first generation. 
 
ETA: I'm still studying hybrid stuff, so don't know much about it yet. Willing to listen and learn though!
 
 
The larger Peruvian Red Rocoto
in a new #1 nursery pot:
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On the grow table. Topped Aji Amarillo
in the background:
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The smaller Rocoto will go into a #1
pot soon, I think. This picture reminds
me of a fun house or hall of mirrors
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Update, 'sort of Kratky Jar' effort  :rolleyes:
I'm shooting from the hip, but it's a
fun project. No idea endpoint.
 
The Red Rocoto is starting to grow quickly,
as is the Aji Amarillo.
 
Red Rocoto top:
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Red Rocoto roots:
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Aji Amarillo top:
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Aji Amarillo roots:
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New seeds started - 6 Sri Lanka Red Chili and 6 Bhut Jolokia hybrids:
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A volunteer from the first round of seeds from when I threw a little
handful of dirt into this pot, guess it had a seed in it. Am  I going
to replant it? Does a chicken have lips? You bet.
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The last round of rescue seedlings:
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The BJ hybrid is getting its purple on:
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Mystery seedling. Everything in my first round was good,
so it has to be a good one! I was rough getting it out, roots
tangled with big plant:
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These are growing so fast:
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Just shots of grow shelf:
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The oldest and youngest plants from the first round
That's a Yellow BrainStrain on the left. Both seeds
sown 12/26:
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