Spicegeist 2014 - The Year of the Bhut

HillBilly Jeff · Jul 28, 2014

Great close ups!!!!

Spicegeist · Jul 28, 2014

HillBilly Jeff said:
Great close ups!!!!

Thanks...

stickman said:
Great pics of the red Bhut and the cross next to it... hard to believe you got such nice ones with the camera on a cell phone. That must have taken a bit of trial and error, eh?

Thanks! I do have to take a couple to get the right shot, but by now I generally know when the conditions are right, otherwise I won't even bother.

Pr0digal_son · Jul 28, 2014

Have you grown the Caramel Bih? Ridiculous plant! I will try to get you some photos. I know you like uniformity,you will enjoy these.

Datil · Jul 29, 2014

Pr0digal_son said:
Have you grown the Caramel Bih? Ridiculous plant! I will try to get you some photos. I know you like uniformity,you will enjoy these.

Same as Bhut Jolokia Caramel? I've some seeds from Jukka waiting to be sowed

By his description it should be a very prolific and relatively compact plant.

Cya

Datil

Pr0digal_son · Jul 29, 2014

These are from Chris,long slender pods. I'm not sure who his source was. Like you mentioned,compact and prolific like most indian types I have grown. This plant is in a smaller container,I would like to grow it in the ground next season.

Here is a branch of the plant,you can't see how prolific it is in a full photo.

Datil said:
Same as Bhut Jolokia Caramel? I've some seeds from Jukka waiting to be sowed
By his description it should be a very prolific and relatively compact plant.

Cya

Datil

Datil · Jul 29, 2014

Amazing!

Datil

Trippa · Jul 29, 2014

That Caramel Bih looks like the business Prod! Great looking Genetics

Spicegeist · Jul 30, 2014

Thanks p-son, I may have some seed of those around... I seriously need to get a farm to grow everything I'd like!

Here's a shot of an almost ripe pod on my Naga King plant grown from PeriPeri's seed:

Two pods on one of the Shabu Jolokia plants grown from jedishushi's seed:

stickman · Jul 30, 2014

Thanks for the Naga King pic Charles... can't wait for your taste evaluation!

Spicegeist · Jul 31, 2014

Here is some Naga King pod variation. Keep in mind I have these in a relatively small pot and they don't get enough sun:

Here's what that pod in the post above looks like on the inside:

Very hot, bhut-like, but also distinct from bhuts. Maybe the best way to describe it is that it is sweeter in aroma and flavor with meatier pods than bhuts. Of course that pale pre-ripe coloration is a give-away too.

Some of the pods can be quite plump, but this may also be due to an environmental factor:

Donne Sali x Cumari do Para F2 (yellow version), I had other F2 plants that put out red pods, but I was looking for the yellow pheno:

It's a productive plant:

Let me know if anyone wants to help me grow this one out.

GA Growhead · Jul 31, 2014

Liking that cross Charles. I can make a spot for a few next season.
My king nagas are a bit suspect at the moment. Need to look up the source. I know I purchased them last year from a vender.
Those look good and sweeter is good in my book. Sound delicious.

stickman · Jul 31, 2014

Spicegeist said:
Here is some Naga King pod variation. Keep in mind I have these in a relatively small pot and they don't get enough sun:

Here's what that pod in the post above looks like on the inside:

Very hot, bhut-like, but also distinct from bhuts. Maybe the best way to describe it is that it is sweeter in aroma and flavor with meatier pods than bhuts. Of course that pale pre-ripe coloration is a give-away too.

Some of the pods can be quite plump, but this may also be due to an environmental factor:

Interesting that your Naga King pods look like a "peachy" red when ripe. Mine are from the same source, but there's some cross action going on there... The pods on one plant look true as far as I know...

but the other looks like it crossed with a Tabasco. I like Lourens' suggestion of naming it a "Nabasco".

The plant is huge! I probably cut it back by 40% so it wouldn't crowd out the true Naga King plant next to it, and it still grew back to a yard tall by a yard wide in about 2 weeks.

The BOC looks like the pod shapes haven't stabilized yet, but I hope they taste like Matt said in his review last summer.

Everything's looking great Charles! What do you plan on using this year's crop of Bhuts for?

Spicegeist · Jul 31, 2014

Wow, cool. F1 crosses tend to be very vigorous. Probably pointless though to name it until it's stabilized, if you grow F2 out, you'll see a lot of variation.

Looking back at Lourens' 2013 glog, I'm satisfied that what I have has grow true.

Well, besides seed, I'll mostly just dehydrate and make powder. Although I am tempted to buy a crock pot and do a ferment... we'll see...

annie57 · Jul 31, 2014

I have a question (statement is just wow on this amazing grow [and of course Jason will "make a space" for it! :party:

]); but what are you top five fav bhuts for taste? And Charles, you meant one of those 55 gal drum "crock pots?"

jedisushi06 · Jul 31, 2014

Those Shabu pods look right.

Spicegeist · Jul 31, 2014

annie57 said:
I have a question (statement is just wow on this amazing grow [and of course Jason will "make a space" for it! ]); but what are you top five fav bhuts for taste? And Charles, you meant one of those 55 gal drum "crock pots?"

Ha, probably not 55 gallons, I wouldn't be able to use that much ferment.

Top bhuts... hmm, well some of them taste very similar, but my top so far are the guwahati bhut and a naga morich I'm growing. I have a few that are still growing. I really want to get a true large bhut, I think I have one, but it had a setback, so I'm still waiting to see how it does. A yellow bhut is nice, if you get a good pheno, saving seed won't always help, as I think they're unstable, and growing conditions will impact them a lot (pot size and sunlight). I'll have a better idea at the end of the season.

jedisushi06 said:
Those Shabu pods look right.

Here are two pods on the other plant:

A lot of the pods on this plant are larger, but not very long:

They taste like bhuts and have pretty decent heat.

kgetpeppers · Jul 31, 2014

Well I wouldn't mind trying to grow that cumari cross. Something about small peppers with good heat and flavor are my thing lol.

Vegas_Chili · Jul 31, 2014

Nice pod shots Charles!!

It's very interesting to see how different growing conditions affect the outcome or a certain variety like shape, heat, productivity and what not. To me it would be nice to learn what the optimum conditions are to be able to get the best out of whatever. In your case the bhuts.

I really haven't had a bhut I didn't like. The first bhut I had was a chocolate one and still wasn't fresh but the aroma and flavor really caught me and so then I tried them fresh and I was blown away. Bhuts may be old school but to me they're still one of the best tasting supers.

That cumari do Para cross is a real winner, they're pretty hot and having a yellow at F2 is cool.

-Walt

Spicegeist · Jul 31, 2014

Vegas_Chili said:
Nice pod shots Charles!!

It's very interesting to see how different growing conditions affect the outcome or a certain variety like shape, heat, productivity and what not. To me it would be nice to learn what the optimum conditions are to be able to get the best out of whatever. In your case the bhuts.

I really haven't had a bhut I didn't like. The first bhut I had was a chocolate one and still wasn't fresh but the aroma and flavor really caught me and so then I tried them fresh and I was blown away. Bhuts may be old school but to me they're still one of the best tasting supers.

That cumari do Para cross is a real winner, they're pretty hot and having a yellow at F2 is cool.

-Walt

The bhuts just need more sun than I have here on my patio. If they can be productive here, they'll probably be productive anywhere... it's a good testing ground for me to narrow down my list.

Vegas_Chili · Jul 31, 2014

The bhuts just need more sun than I have here on my patio. If they can be productive here, they'll probably be productive anywhere... it's a good testing ground for me to narrow down my list.

I agree, but they do like to go wide. That's a big downside for me, well at least for now. This was my peach bhut before I gave it away to a good friend. It's given lots of pods and it's loading up right now. My friend is very happy with the plant and I hope to do more bhuts when I move to a house.

A friend sent me seeds for a bhut x Donne sali... I might have to get a couple of those going too. I like the idea of a bhut being crossed with a sali. What I have is seeds for F2. Would be interesting to see what comes up.

Very loaded with flowers. No pods really set. I was growing it in Deep Water Culture and notice the dark green leaves. I was told by a hydroponics expert that I had too much nitrogen in my feed water.

-Walt