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Spicy Chickens Barn Conversion. Extreme Makeover Farm Edition.
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Scoville DeVille said:Oh no you didn't!!!! The only ONE thing TWO carpenters agree on, is what the THIRD one is doing wrong!
Scovie I think you better get your spell check fixed, something really wrong when they confuse ....tilers for carpenters.
Guess what I received in the mail today, Not 1 but 2 identical boxes. Both weighing in at 27 lbs
I don't think Home Depot is going to make much money on this order. lol
Some one in the shipping department screwed up.
you think 50 lbs of grout and 4 tubes of caulk is enough ? 
I had a man at menards home center tell me that I had to mix the whole bag at once or I would not get the same consistency of the contents and color. Is there any truth to this?
Obviously I was only going to mix enough to work with in like a half hour.
I'm actually scared to do this, read so many horror stories. lol
If you are using Grout Shield, it IS important to mix the full jug with one full 25 lb. bag of grout to get the proper consistency. You don't want to guess this. Even with water it's tricky to get the right consistency by guessing or "eyeballing" the amounts. The lighter colors are well matched so there is no need to "pre-mix" both bags of grout, DRY like in the olden days. The darker shades of brown can be a little more touchy as far as color matching different bags with different batch numbers. But there are alot of factors affecting all that that I won't get into. LOL
Also important... After thoroughly mixing (hopefully you have a Milwaukee Hole Hawg with a mixing paddle) let it slake (rest) for at least 10 minutes, re-mix then start grouting. The lighter colors like Alabaster tend to stiffen up quicker, 20 minutes or so, when that happens, just pull your mixing paddle out of the water bucket and remix as needed. It fluffs the grout right back up.
Take your time, don't stress, it should take you about an hour to fully pack all of those grout joints. The grout has a pot life of at least 3 hours or so. When the grout is dry on the surface of the tiles, and is still semi-soft in the joints, it's time to start wiping. Lots of water! Two buckets of water, at least, for rinsing your sponges. One bucket for the first rinse (dirty water) and the other bucket for the second rinse (cleaner water). Change out all the water for the final rinse or as often as needed.
First wipe. Focus on "shaping" the joints. You'll see what I mean when you start.
Second wipe. Clean the surface of the tile. It will still have a haze but don't fret.
Final wipe. Clean the haze off and let dry.
In at least 4 hours, or the next day, a dry terry-towel to buff any remaining haze off, (we use micro fleece hand towels from the auto store).
Here's another tip... If you are using a 1/2" drill with a mixing paddle, don't use the chuck key. Hand tight is plenty. That allows for quicker paddle removal.
When all is done, pour a big fat glass of HHWiskey. It's grout day after all.
Good luck and go for it!
P.S. I don't see a rubber grout float in the picture. You have one tho, right?
Also important... After thoroughly mixing (hopefully you have a Milwaukee Hole Hawg with a mixing paddle) let it slake (rest) for at least 10 minutes, re-mix then start grouting. The lighter colors like Alabaster tend to stiffen up quicker, 20 minutes or so, when that happens, just pull your mixing paddle out of the water bucket and remix as needed. It fluffs the grout right back up.
Take your time, don't stress, it should take you about an hour to fully pack all of those grout joints. The grout has a pot life of at least 3 hours or so. When the grout is dry on the surface of the tiles, and is still semi-soft in the joints, it's time to start wiping. Lots of water! Two buckets of water, at least, for rinsing your sponges. One bucket for the first rinse (dirty water) and the other bucket for the second rinse (cleaner water). Change out all the water for the final rinse or as often as needed.
First wipe. Focus on "shaping" the joints. You'll see what I mean when you start.
Second wipe. Clean the surface of the tile. It will still have a haze but don't fret.
Final wipe. Clean the haze off and let dry.
In at least 4 hours, or the next day, a dry terry-towel to buff any remaining haze off, (we use micro fleece hand towels from the auto store).
Here's another tip... If you are using a 1/2" drill with a mixing paddle, don't use the chuck key. Hand tight is plenty. That allows for quicker paddle removal.
When all is done, pour a big fat glass of HHWiskey. It's grout day after all.
Good luck and go for it!
P.S. I don't see a rubber grout float in the picture. You have one tho, right?
Scoville DeVille said:
For the record, my Dewalt 1/2" with a paddle will work nicely for a bucket of grout or a bucket of Durabond.
Spicy Chicken said:
I'll differ to Scovie's knowledge, but I've never seen any truth to this. I highly doubt the guy at Menards was a tile expert either. You should hear that crap advice I have been given at HD over the years.
Maybe I am misunderstanding the question but as far as mixing the whole bag for color consistency is bunk. Like yogurt, all the color is at the bottom? Ha. I don't think so.
"Advice" from salespeople. Hahahahahaha unbelievable what they don't know. I enjoy listening to their "advice" to unkowlegeble customers from one isle over. Some funny chit. Especially the ones that love the sound of their own voice. (Like I am one to talk LOL)
When mixing grout with water, you can guess "1/2 bag" and even measure 1/2 the water but it won't be accurate. If the grout has too much water, it will crack and even disintegrate over time. If it's too thick, it will be stronger but you will be hating life trying to pack the joints full with it. I have been accused of being anal many times, but I am a perfectionist.
When mixing with Grout Shield, it is especially important to get an exact mix. 70 oz. to 25 lbs of sanded grout. I suppose you could weigh 12.5 lbs of grout and measure out 35 oz of GS, but that begs the question... Why?
DeWalt... :spitsontheground: lol
"Advice" from salespeople. Hahahahahaha unbelievable what they don't know. I enjoy listening to their "advice" to unkowlegeble customers from one isle over. Some funny chit. Especially the ones that love the sound of their own voice. (Like I am one to talk LOL)
When mixing grout with water, you can guess "1/2 bag" and even measure 1/2 the water but it won't be accurate. If the grout has too much water, it will crack and even disintegrate over time. If it's too thick, it will be stronger but you will be hating life trying to pack the joints full with it. I have been accused of being anal many times, but I am a perfectionist.
When mixing with Grout Shield, it is especially important to get an exact mix. 70 oz. to 25 lbs of sanded grout. I suppose you could weigh 12.5 lbs of grout and measure out 35 oz of GS, but that begs the question... Why?
DeWalt... :spitsontheground: lol
Scoville DeVille said:Maybe I am misunderstanding the question but as far as mixing the whole bag for color consistency is bunk. Like yogurt, all the color is at the bottom? Ha. I don't think so.
"Advice" from salespeople. Hahahahahaha unbelievable what they don't know. I enjoy listening to their "advice" to unkowlegeble customers from one isle over. Some funny chit. Especially the ones that love the sound of their own voice. (Like I am one to talk LOL)
When mixing grout with water, you can guess "1/2 bag" and even measure 1/2 the water but it won't be accurate. If the grout has too much water, it will crack and even disintegrate over time. If it's too thick, it will be stronger but you will be hating life trying to pack the joints full with it. I have been accused of being anal many times, but I am a perfectionist.
When mixing with Grout Shield, it is especially important to get an exact mix. 70 oz. to 25 lbs of sanded grout. I suppose you could weigh 12.5 lbs of grout and measure out 35 oz of GS, but that begs the question... Why?
DeWalt... :spitsontheground: lol
yup that what the salesman was telling me, that inside the bag it wasn't mixed. Cool now that we have that out of the way. lol
Here is the Why?
According to the cart you provided it will only take 7 lbs to do this, why did I order 25 lbs than? well 7 lb bad was I think $8-9 and a 25 lb $13 and change. figured if 7 was not enough there wouldn't be a color variance from different batches. really don't want to mix 25 and through 2/3 in the trash lol especially as expensive as that grout shield is.
I have scales and measuring cups, can get this down to the exact gram and drop. lol
Couple more questions if you don't mind.
Do I caulk between the bottom tile and the counter first or last? and if last I am assuming that the unwanted grout in that area should be removed before caulking?
Would you happen to know if the grout will stain the corion counter-tops?
yes I have common sense, before you ask. lol....... could YouTube it but maybe the same professional from Menards or HD made the vid I do have a Milwaukee hole hawg, or 3 ;-) and 2 rubber grout floats, large and small.
----- So.... How are you fixed for hhwiskey? HahahahahhaSpicy Chicken said:According to the cart you provided it will only take 7 lbs to do this, why did I order 25 lbs than? well 7 lb bad was I think $8-9 and a 25 lb $13 and change. figured if 7 was not enough there wouldn't be a color variance from different batches. really don't want to mix 25 and through 2/3 in the trash lol especially as expensive as that grout shield is.
----smart choice buying the 25 lbs. Reduce the recipe, but just know that the leftover, opened Grout Shield won't be any good in a year, and the grout will probably get thrown out anyway.
I have scales and measuring cups, can get this down to the exact gram and drop. lol
----Reduce the measurements so you have 10 lbs. The chart is a simple guideline that is never accurate.
Couple more questions if you don't mind.
Do I caulk between the bottom tile and the counter first or last? and if last I am assuming that the unwanted grout in that area should be removed before caulking?
---- Caulk after grout with the theory that caulk will stick to grout but grout will not stick to caulk. Couple things you can do here. 1.) Not caulk at all unless it cracks, then caulk the crack line (it will virtually disappear) 2.) Reduce the grout in that grout joint when wiping, then caulk. 3.) My choice, leave out the grout or remove it before caulking. The grout should cure for at least 24 hrs before caulking.
Would you happen to know if the grout will stain the corion counter-tops?
----- Absolutely not. But I always mask all c-tops with a 3-M film masking machine because it makes the cleanup easier. When your done, all the glops and drops just get rolled up and tossed, instead of endlessly wiping the grouted tile AND your countertops. Even an old bed sheet will work.
---- hahaha there is nothing in tile work that relates to common sense.
I do have a Milwaukee hole hawg, or 3 ;-) and 2 rubber grout floats, large and small.
Jeff H said:
Dewalt??? I guess if that's all you can afford.
I can see I'm dealing with some real jokers here....... need to step up my game some. 
All joking aside, every top name brand has their greats and crap. Cordless drills and impacts .......... New Dewalts and Makita run close hand in hand but the Makita batteries charge better in freezing weather, my company owns at least 50 of each, for the purpose of 2 construction crews, one crew get dewalt the other makita so they don't fight over the good ones. lol
Milwaukee Sawzalls, hole hawgs and potable band saws.
Milwaukee cordless drills 
Scoville DeVille said:
Will have the hhwiskey before I start, liquid courage and all. lol ...... Had to look that up, scovie..... I'm not a drinker, the alcoholic drinks I've had in my lifetime you could count on one hand, Fuddy dud right.
Sure appreciate the help!!
This thread is better than binge watching TV shows on netflix.
i could really use that dynamite story sometime. ive been laid up with a fractured foot for a week. im starting to get very very bored a man can only look at so much drum porn "yesterday alone i bet i spent 6 hours just looking at snare specs for famous drummers
." but ill be patient, good things come to those that wait 
Scoville DeVille said:
Still in the bag, only want to do this once, back splash needs to be finished and the counter edging, been real busy with transplanting and such. soon though.
I snuck into your garage and found this, so I took it.
sicman said:i could really use that dynamite story sometime. ive been laid up with a fractured foot for a week. im starting to get very very bored a man can only look at so much drum porn "yesterday alone i bet i spent 6 hours just looking at snare specs for famous drummers." but ill be patient, good things come to those that wait
Sorry to hear about your foot. hope you found the snare you were looking for, a real waste of time spending 6 hours looking for something you can't fine. lol I've done it!!
You will just have to wait,
just to busy right now with life, O ya and plants too. Boooo......... boaring. 
Wow 3 months and a day go by pretty darn fast.
Hello everyone.
We shut down the pantry project last july when planting peppers came into play and then it was to nice out to spend any time indoors.
We started and addition on the east side of the barn, 24x36 with an extra 12 foot out the east for a covered deck and a lean-to over the south side covering front door.
Been so busy it was hard to post the pics let alone even take em, but finally have a few minutes to do so.
First off we had to remove all of the concrete, this area was used for a staging arena for the cows before they came in the barn to be milked. They laid boulders down and then poured the concrete around them; so just undermining and snapping off the concrete wasn't an option. We had to jack hammer everything out, the boulders went into a pile and the rubble went out to the marsh. A very hard and time consuming process.
Anywho lets just get to the pics. I am editing them as these are uploading so might need a bump or comment every now and then.
Had to deal with an old septic area.
Put in some new [SIZE=18.1818180084229px]temporary[/SIZE] drain tile pipe till the new septic gets put in, only shower and washing machine water drain in here.
Just a little bit more to go for the main floor area. WooHoo ;-)
Dug a trench for the front wall footings and frost [SIZE=18.1818180084229px]barrier[/SIZE], almost 4 foot deep complete with sheet foam.
Quite the load for the wagon and tractor, we get the sand from a farmer about a half mile down the road, really nice clean well draining sand.
Well that is my ten pic limit per post, need to edit another few and will post more.
Thanks for stopping by!!
Cheers - Jeff
Hello everyone.
We shut down the pantry project last july when planting peppers came into play and then it was to nice out to spend any time indoors.
We started and addition on the east side of the barn, 24x36 with an extra 12 foot out the east for a covered deck and a lean-to over the south side covering front door.
Been so busy it was hard to post the pics let alone even take em, but finally have a few minutes to do so.
First off we had to remove all of the concrete, this area was used for a staging arena for the cows before they came in the barn to be milked. They laid boulders down and then poured the concrete around them; so just undermining and snapping off the concrete wasn't an option. We had to jack hammer everything out, the boulders went into a pile and the rubble went out to the marsh. A very hard and time consuming process.
Anywho lets just get to the pics. I am editing them as these are uploading so might need a bump or comment every now and then.
Had to deal with an old septic area.
Put in some new [SIZE=18.1818180084229px]temporary[/SIZE] drain tile pipe till the new septic gets put in, only shower and washing machine water drain in here.
Just a little bit more to go for the main floor area. WooHoo ;-)
Dug a trench for the front wall footings and frost [SIZE=18.1818180084229px]barrier[/SIZE], almost 4 foot deep complete with sheet foam.
Quite the load for the wagon and tractor, we get the sand from a farmer about a half mile down the road, really nice clean well draining sand.
Well that is my ten pic limit per post, need to edit another few and will post more.
Thanks for stopping by!!
Cheers - Jeff