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Dave2000 said:
^ Human decency starts with spending your time on the human suffering in the world, not the suffering of our pests. Since you choose to ignore the suffering of your own species in favor of vermin I have to conclude you're one of those feel-good types that just wants to distract themselves from something else their conscience won't let rest, without really caring if it makes any real difference in the larger scheme of things.

Again, I personally would rather not be executed right away, the last few moments of life are precious ones. You DO NOT KNOW what the mouse prefers, you are not their spokesperson.
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Really, what a bunch of uninformed, ignorant bullshit.

Human decency starts with ANY compassionate act, whether it be to a human or an animal. Just because I find the idea of starving a helpless mouse to death on a glue trap disgusting and cruel, doesn't mean I ignore the suffering of other human beings. What a bunch of condescending crap. You are saying this as if caring about both humans and animals are mutually exclusive, and are assuming just because I give a damn about a 'pest', with your terrific logic, means I "don't care about people". Heck, you don't even know what I do for the community, what charities I activiely participate in, etc.

So I have sympathy for an animal suffering, vermin or not. So what? And that means I'm favouring them above humans, how exactly?

What horse-shit. Like 'pest' means anything anyway, I have sympathy for both humans and animals *in general*. And if I feel sorry for a wee little mouse because some jerk tortures it, that means I ignore humans for 'vermin', as you put it?? That doesn't even make any sense at all!

You've obviously run out of things to say, so you've put some kind of label on me and made a strawman argument in order to make my statements look bad simply because you can't even address them. As for not knowing what the mouse prefers, perhaps not, but that doesn't mean it's OK to torture and torment it while it's stuck on a damn sticky trap.

EDIT: Find it hilarious that you ignored/didn't address any of my points, and went straight to assuming things about me pertaining to the treatment of humans. Please back your shit up or don't bother replying to me.
 
Well, my two cents worth on mice....

Anybody remember the plague that killed millions world wide?

I have no sympathy whatsoever for mice/rats....I really don't care how they are killed. Being that they multiply faster than humans and carry diseases that can kill humans...meh, I guess if I say anymore it will be more than 2 cents worth. ; )

One last thing I will say though is that I find it rediculous that some humans will kill other humans to protect animal's rights.
 
How's that relevant to being kind to other animals? Every animal can carry a disease, that doesn't mean you should be extremely cruel to one.

Humans aren't spotless either. Remember World War I and II? How about Mao's Long March? The Spanish Inquisition?

Humans have done so many bad things, *intentionally* unlike a common mouse, so using your logic, does that mean we are undeserving of sympathy? :rolleyes:

The plague was caused from a few things - namely from terrible hygiene practices, people killing off predators of rodents like snakes and cats because they were associated with the devil, this making their population explode. The flea was responsible for carrying the plague, which jumped on any land based animal - rats, mice, dogs, humans, etc. Humans had just as much a role to play as any rodent could hope of.
 
Woaaa, where has this thread gone? who gives a shit what happens to the mouse (if indeed it is a mouse?).

For all them fluffy bunny mice lovers out there, wait till you get a few million in your town like we do here in OZ.
Mezo.
 
Jules84 said:
What on earth are you talking about? No one said to give them "more rights" than children. You're missing the point made completely. I'll say it again: if you need to kill an animal, do it humanely, with minimal pain. Don't torture it, don't be a friggin' evil jerk about it. How hard is that to understand?It's pretty disturbing actually *wanting* to make something starve to death on a sheet of glue paper, when it's disfigured and crying out in pain. Callous, unnecessary, cruel... whatever you want to call it. It's just not right. And killing something swiftly doesn't mean you're putting them on the same level as *human children*. I don't know where on earth you got that from.

Oh great, so you're going to poke it with a stick and hurt it more - then if it doesn't come off, you're just gonna leave it there so it dies slowly and painfully?

Terrific, what a very appropriate and kind thing to do with a still-living mammal. What did it do to deserve something like that? Actually, do you have *any* sense of empathy/compassion/respect to other living things... at all? Why on earth would you consider leaving it on the trap??

You can free them with vegetable oil. Leaving them to starve is a completely fucked up and very cruel thing to do. YOU set up the trap, to catch the animal - so it is YOUR responsibility to do the final deed. You're just making it suffer more than it has to... why?? Starvation is a long process, and it'd be painful for it trying to spend a day or two trying to get off and tearing its skin off in the process. It is better to be merciful than it is to be a monster. I don't like mice and rats shitting all over the floor and chewing my stuff either, but torturing something to death isn't the answer. Ever.

It's more humane than spending days on a glueboard completely frightened, disfigured to the point of gnawing body parts to escape, starving to death slowly. An owl eats a mouse to survive, it doesn't think of "oh I should be quick because it might suffer" because they are intellectually incapable of doing so. A human should know better than an owl. A human can make a conscious choice - trap the animal and either a) give the animal a quick death or b) let it continue disfigure itself and let it starve. Why would someone choose b) intentionally? Doesn't sound like a very good person to me...

And I apologise if I seem a little forced... I don't intend to offend. I've had really bad experiences with these traps, so when I see people using them I do get a little bit antsy. Mostly because I think they're just a crude form of pest control, and just an animal torturing device, really. That's why I question their use. And that's especially why I question someone for simply leaving the poor thing to starve to death on that hellish contraption, rather than having the kahunas to put the little fellow out of its misery. Mice can't help being mice, don't deserve to be disposed of in particularly inhumane/nasty ways. They're just trying to survive, have no ill-intent. And while they *have* to be controlled, that doesn't mean it's OK to do incredibly mean things to it, like for example, letting it sit there on the trap and starve to death. That'd be one of the most painful ways to go.
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what did it do...?
are you really asking that?
it ate my plants.. -___-
lol

Dave2000 said:
^ and the humans can't help but ignore animals' feelings if we want to be the dominant species. Merely occupying land with buildings we caused the slow starvation of animals till a balance was met.

I'm sure you feel you thought this through but I think you haven't really. Taking myself as an example, if I had two choices:

A) Immediately be executed.

B) Be stuck on a sticky floor and have some time to come to terms with my pending demise.

I'd pick B)

Aron Ralston was that hiker who had his arm stuck in a crevice and chose to cut the arm off, when he could have killed himself instead. Clearly he wanted to live longer regardless of losing the limb. Does the mouse want to die immediately or try to rip itself free? You really don't know.

I don't feel you can put yourself in the mind of a mouse and know what it wants, Jules84, nor can you put yourself in my mind and know if I'm being sadistic in my method of disposal of an animal that knew it was putting itself in danger sneaking around the *den* of a higher species.

What about fishing? If you catch a fish can you not pack it in a box to scale and gut later, must you end its life right then and there? It seems quite arbitrary to hold vermin to a higher standard.
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very true..
 
gumbii said:
if there was a button that would make all mice and rats die a horrible painful death all at once around the world...
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You're disgusting.

And I don't think all the scientists would appreciate that.

Neither would all the people who keep them as pets.

The food chain would also collapse. Idiot.
 
DudeThtsBad said:
you needa chill man..
the rat hasn't even been caught..
It probably escaped .__.
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Sorry, but whoever *wants* to torture something to death really needs their head examined. And I still didn't get an answer from you why an animal needs to be cruelly starved to death on one of the most inhumane traps in existence because it ate a *plant* ? Seems like people should get a conscience.

Mezo said:
Woaaa, where has this thread gone? who gives a shit what happens to the mouse (if indeed it is a mouse?).
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Because some people don't find it acceptable to torture a friggin' animal to death. :confused:

Nice video btw... not that it means anything... in the context of what we're discussing that is...
 
Dave2000 said:
your arguments were shown to be silly already, to think you can WHINE now is ridiculous. GROW UP. I suppose I have to end this. Bye.. now it's at an end.
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It's hard to show up any argument as being silly when you ignore them. I'd say your assumptions about me not caring about humans because I am sympathetic for other animals are far more silly. Perhaps it is you who should grow up, you're the one making blanket assumptions and attempting to justify starving a mouse to death on a glue trap.
 
Jules84 said:
Because some people don't find it acceptable to torture a friggin' animal to death. :confused:

Nice video btw... not that it means anything... in the context of what we're discussing that is...
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Nice try Jules but im not falling for the bait.

Mezo.
 
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