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Wild, Indeed, Community Thread
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Thanks for the good vibe, CD! I am lookingCaneDog said:
forward to the season and seeing what
goes on in this thread.
Great germ rates on the Tolito - 5/4, 125%
In the realm of Rocopica, how did the seed
I sent you do? My dirt round sucked, but I
am 2/7 so far in the AeroGarden, 7 and 10
days to hooks/cotys.
This is the first to sprout, from a late season pod:
PaulG said:
I guess I will elaborate on my previous comment now I have a moment. My knock on the USDA and Bob might not be fair considering he isn't a taxonomist,but they could do much better. I am still of the opinion that true C.frutescens have distinct traits and very little variation. I see a lot of these plants misidentified and mainly because they are hybrids with C.annuum L or glabriusculum. The plant I will post reminds me of the Tolito and others. In one photo you will see how easy it can be to confuse multiple berries per node and there are other annuums that make it even more difficult. There are two pedicels but can clearly see a leaf forming between them,but only with a close inspection. This plant also has the soft flesh gene that is diagnostic of C.frutescens. The dead giveaway is the snow white flower and white filaments. I'm still interested in seeing how your plant turns out. I have never grown Tolito.
I transplanted a chiltepin today (to a 4g growth bag, 50:50 compost:perlite, and a few crushed egg shells in the plant hole for good measure). Only one plant... Seeds sourced from a plant growing here in the neighbourhood. So far so good I'd say.
This plant grows in the backyard of a nearby research institute. It's a chiltepin in a somewhat sorry state. Suffers from neglect, drought, mite attack. I found a few dried peppers on the bush; I scored five seeds in total. They are already in some dirt 
Fingers croXed.
I don't know how old this plant is, but in 2018 it was already there. It measures about 1.5-2 times my height (1.80m). Not bad... The workers of this institute used to collect a few peppers to eat with their lunch. The pandemic has disrupted this custom, and I assume that this is also why the plant has suffered so much neglect.
Fingers croXed.I don't know how old this plant is, but in 2018 it was already there. It measures about 1.5-2 times my height (1.80m). Not bad... The workers of this institute used to collect a few peppers to eat with their lunch. The pandemic has disrupted this custom, and I assume that this is also why the plant has suffered so much neglect.
I posted this image in my GLOG as well: first flower buds of C. galapagoense, enjoying the last rays of yesterday's light.
The naturalized Chiltepin is awesome. Looks
like a good project for a chili head gardener
like yourself to take on. A snip here and there,
and a little water and fertilizer will have her
looking primo in no time! I would love to have
some big old pepper plants in my yard/garden!
Liking the flower on the galapagoense!
like a good project for a chili head gardener
like yourself to take on. A snip here and there,
and a little water and fertilizer will have her
looking primo in no time! I would love to have
some big old pepper plants in my yard/garden!
Liking the flower on the galapagoense!PaulG said:
I must admit the photo doesn't do justice to the plant, it is quite impressive. I will place someone at its side on my next visit. In 2018, it was maybe ~1.5m, but now it is really *big*. The strongly lignified stem also gives a strong bush-like impression.
Time for an 8-week update. Plants all look
pretty healthy but would be even better out
in some sunny weather.
Let's start with the newest additions from
the Stubborn Crew...
Rocopica, c. cardenasii x XL Brown, brown G2 my pods 2020, orig. CaneDog
Really bad germination on these, had to
resort to starting again in the AeroGarden.
Cumari Pollux, c. praetermissum, Brazil, Pepper Guru 2019 67%
pretty healthy but would be even better out
in some sunny weather.
Let's start with the newest additions from
the Stubborn Crew...
Rocopica, c. cardenasii x XL Brown, brown G2 my pods 2020, orig. CaneDog
Really bad germination on these, had to
resort to starting again in the AeroGarden.
Cumari Pollux, c. praetermissum, Brazil, Pepper Guru 2019 67%
Yellow Pequin, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, G2, PtMD989/Smokemaster 100%
This plant wants to be big. The base
of the stalk is already lignified.
Chili ‘Seguin’, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, wild-collected, Devv 2020 33%
These seeds wild collected by Devv. Above
and beyond the call of duty, Scott! The plant
on the right has a triple fork.
This plant wants to be big. The base
of the stalk is already lignified.
Chili ‘Seguin’, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, wild-collected, Devv 2020 33%
These seeds wild collected by Devv. Above
and beyond the call of duty, Scott! The plant
on the right has a triple fork.
These are my 'Twin Towers' (nod to old NBA Houston team.)
Both are over 12" tall.
c. chacoense, purple flower, GIP via wiriwiri 2018 17%
Capuccinno Chiltepin, c. annuum v Glab., Semillas la Palma, 2019 100%
Excited for this one. Last year's plant was
devastated by aphids, and was so behind,
barely any pods ripened. They gave it some
kind of virus, and all the leaves fell off when
the plant was 4-6 weeks old. I'm surprised it
grew out at all. Expecting better things from
this one.
Both are over 12" tall.
c. chacoense, purple flower, GIP via wiriwiri 2018 17%
Capuccinno Chiltepin, c. annuum v Glab., Semillas la Palma, 2019 100%
Excited for this one. Last year's plant was
devastated by aphids, and was so behind,
barely any pods ripened. They gave it some
kind of virus, and all the leaves fell off when
the plant was 4-6 weeks old. I'm surprised it
grew out at all. Expecting better things from
this one.
Nice haul coming Paul! Chiltepin PI631137 indeed has surprisingly big leaves. And galapagoensis likes to branch from early on 
That large Chiapas Tepin is really cool. Give it a feed! Always great to see plants in situ or in areas that they can fully mature without having to resort to chopping and wintering like I have to in the North Atlantic. I saw an undescribed pepper plant in the wild that had about 4m of the plant exposed and who knows how much growing into the forest canopy. Like ahayastani eluded to,you can't take a photo that gives any justice to the size.
Good luck picking all those berries this summer!
Love the reference to Hakeem and Ralph-hard to beat those days. Interesting to see you are growing the flibu,those seem to have spread quickly. As of 2019ish,they were only in the hands of two people. Good to see they are moving. It's a variation of a theme with the praetermissum. There are 3 or 4 habits and flower types but many names and renames. The flibu is a bit different. It is more like a sapling and not the tall bush like the others. Extremely pubescent also.PaulG said:These are my 'Twin Towers' (nod to old NBA Houston team.)
Both are over 12" tall.
c. chacoense, purple flower, GIP via wiriwiri 2018 17%
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Capuccinno Chiltepin, c. annuum v Glab., Semillas la Palma, 2019 100%
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Excited for this one. Last year's plant was
devastated by aphids, and was so behind,
barely any pods ripened. They gave it some
kind of virus, and all the leaves fell off when
the plant was 4-6 weeks old. I'm surprised it
grew out at all. Expecting better things from
this one.
Good luck picking all those berries this summer!
Hey, John, thanks for dropping in, alwaysPr0digal_son said:
appreciate your input! Looking forward to
learning lots from you! I really liked your pics
in post #123. Great idea for help in identifying
the plants.
It would be so cool to be able to grow peppers
outside all year. I'm just excited to see a small
container version with no hacking off the top!
It will be sad when the season ends.
My Flibu seeds came from Pepper Guru in 2019,
but I didn't have the space to grow it in 2020. I
am looking forward to this one, too. Actually, look-
ing forward to seeing all the wilds develop this season.