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Wild, Indeed, Community Thread

Just getting this started so I can get a url.
I will post more about this in a couple of days.
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Happy New Year, 2021!
 
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CaneDog said:
Well, Paul, it looks like your idea for this thread is already paying off. Hopefully it can continue to be a good place for shared info. and discussion.
 
And BTW, my 5th Tolito sprouted yesterday, so either I dropped 5 seeds not just 4 or these things are incredibly prolific.
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Thanks for the good vibe, CD! I am looking
forward to the season and seeing what
goes on in this thread.
 
Great germ rates on the Tolito - 5/4, 125%   :rofl:
 
In the realm of Rocopica, how did the seed
I sent you do? My dirt round sucked, but I
am 2/7 so far in the AeroGarden, 7 and 10
days to hooks/cotys.
 
This is the first to sprout, from a late season pod:
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PaulG said:
Will definitely post some detail pix this Spring and summer, John.
Between everyone growing it, we might be able to nail it down!
 
I'm anticipating fun times ahead!
 
BTW added a pic of the plant in the last post.
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I guess I will elaborate on my previous comment now I have a moment. My knock on the USDA and Bob might not be fair considering he isn't a taxonomist,but they could do much better. I am still of the opinion that true C.frutescens have distinct traits and very little variation. I see a lot of these plants misidentified and mainly because they are hybrids with C.annuum L or glabriusculum. The plant I will post reminds me of the Tolito and others. In one photo you will see how easy it can be to confuse multiple berries per node and there are other annuums that make it even more difficult. There are two pedicels but can clearly see a leaf forming between them,but only with a close inspection. This plant also has the soft flesh gene that is diagnostic of C.frutescens. The dead giveaway is the snow white flower and white filaments. I'm still interested in seeing how your plant turns out. I have never grown Tolito. 
 
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This plant grows in the backyard of a nearby research institute. It's a chiltepin in a somewhat sorry state. Suffers from neglect, drought, mite attack. I found a few dried peppers on the bush; I scored five seeds in total. They are already in some dirt :D Fingers croXed.
 
I don't know how old this plant is, but in 2018 it was already there. It measures about 1.5-2 times my height (1.80m). Not bad... The workers of this institute used to collect a few peppers to eat with their lunch. The pandemic has disrupted this custom, and I assume that this is also why the plant has suffered so much neglect.
 
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The naturalized Chiltepin is awesome. Looks
like a good project for a chili head gardener
like yourself to take on. A snip here and there,
and a little water and fertilizer will have her
looking primo in no time! I would love to have
some big old pepper plants in my yard/garden!
 
:party: Liking the flower on the galapagoense!
 
PaulG said:
The naturalized Chiltepin is awesome. Looks
like a good project for a chili head gardener
like yourself to take on. A snip here and there,
and a little water and fertilizer will have her
looking primo in no time! I would love to have
some big old pepper plants in my yard/garden!
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I must admit the photo doesn't do justice to the plant, it is quite impressive. I will place someone at its side on my next visit. In 2018, it was maybe ~1.5m, but now it is really *big*. The strongly lignified stem also gives a strong bush-like impression.
 
Time for an 8-week update. Plants all look
pretty healthy but would be even better out
in some sunny weather. 
 
Let's start with the newest additions from
the Stubborn Crew...
 
Rocopica,  c. cardenasii x XL Brown, brown G2 my pods 2020, orig. CaneDog
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Really bad germination on these, had to
resort to starting again in the AeroGarden.
 
Cumari Pollux,  c. praetermissum, Brazil, Pepper Guru 2019  67%
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Left to right:
Blue Mystery, c. praetermissum ? x baccatum ?, wiriwiri, 2020  67%
Cumari Flibu, c. praetermissum, Brazil, Pepper Guru 2019  50%
Cumari, wild collected #2, c.praet/bacc v B, Brazil, leo72 2019  17%
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c. galapagoense, wiriwiri 2020  67%
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The rest of these germinated in a more timely manner...
 
PI 631137 Chiltepin, Guatamala ‘Tolito/Torolito’,  c. annuum v G (?) 2018, wiriwiri  67%
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This plant has the largest leaves of all the wild varieties.
 
Cumari, wild collected #1, c.praet/bacc v B, Brazil, leo72 2019  67%
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Yellow Pequin, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, G2,  PtMD989/Smokemaster  100%
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This plant wants to be big. The base
of the stalk is already lignified.
 
Chili ‘Seguin’, c. annuum v Glabriusculum, wild-collected, Devv 2020  33%
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These seeds wild collected by Devv. Above
and beyond the call of duty, Scott! The plant 
on the right has a triple fork.
 
These are my 'Twin Towers' (nod to old NBA Houston team.)
Both are over 12" tall.
 
c. chacoense, purple flower, GIP via wiriwiri 2018  17%
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Capuccinno Chiltepin, c. annuum v Glab., Semillas la Palma, 2019  100%
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Excited for this one. Last year's plant was
devastated by aphids, and was so behind,
barely any pods ripened. They gave it some
kind of virus, and all the leaves fell off when
the plant was 4-6 weeks old. I'm surprised it
grew out at all. Expecting better things from
this one.
 
That large Chiapas Tepin is really cool. Give it a feed! Always great to see plants in situ or in areas that they can fully mature without having to resort to chopping and wintering like I have to in the North Atlantic. I saw an undescribed pepper plant in the wild that had about 4m of the plant exposed and who knows how much growing into the forest canopy. Like ahayastani eluded to,you can't take a photo that gives any justice to the size.


PaulG said:
These are my 'Twin Towers' (nod to old NBA Houston team.)
Both are over 12" tall.
 
c. chacoense, purple flower, GIP via wiriwiri 2018  17%
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Capuccinno Chiltepin, c. annuum v Glab., Semillas la Palma, 2019  100%
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Excited for this one. Last year's plant was
devastated by aphids, and was so behind,
barely any pods ripened. They gave it some
kind of virus, and all the leaves fell off when
the plant was 4-6 weeks old. I'm surprised it
grew out at all. Expecting better things from
this one.
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Love the reference to Hakeem and Ralph-hard to beat those days. Interesting to see you are growing the flibu,those seem to have spread quickly. As of 2019ish,they were only in the hands of two people. Good to see they are moving. It's a variation of a theme with the praetermissum. There are 3 or 4 habits and flower types but many names and renames. The flibu is a bit different. It is more like a sapling and not the tall bush like the others. Extremely pubescent also.

Good luck picking all those berries this summer!
 
Pr0digal_son said:
That large Chiapas Tepin is really cool. Give it a feed! Always great to see plants in situ or in areas that they can fully mature without having to resort to chopping and wintering like I have to in the North Atlantic. I saw an undescribed pepper plant in the wild that had about 4m of the plant exposed and who knows how much growing into the forest canopy. Like ahayastani eluded to,you can't take a photo that gives any justice to the size.



Love the reference to Hakeem and Ralph-hard to beat those days. Interesting to see you are growing the flibu,those seem to have spread quickly. As of 2019ish,they were only in the hands of two people. Good to see they are moving. It's a variation of a theme with the praetermissum. There are 3 or 4 habits and flower types but many names and renames. The flibu is a bit different. It is more like a sapling and not the tall bush like the others. Extremely pubescent also.

Good luck picking all those berries this summer!
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Hey, John, thanks for dropping in, always
appreciate your input! Looking forward to 
learning lots from you! I really liked your pics
in post #123. Great idea for help in identifying
the plants.
 
It would be so cool to be able to grow peppers
outside all year. I'm just excited to see a small
container version with no hacking off the top!  
It will be sad when the season ends.
 
My Flibu seeds came from Pepper Guru in 2019,
but I didn't have the space to grow it in 2020. I
am looking forward to this one, too. Actually, look-
ing forward to seeing all the wilds develop this season.
 
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