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TrueNorthReptiles said:
Yeah, but it is perfect for the basement.
That little volume knob really works ya' know. It doesn't have to be at 10 (or 11 for that matter). The 6505 sound is created in the preamp, and there is no real powertube distortion like you get with other amps so you don't get more gain by turning it up, you just give your self tinnitus.
+ the cool factor of a 1/2 stack is tough to beat with a little amp.
Damn, if I keep this up, I'm going to talk myself into buying one, which I don't need.
Jeff H said:
Yeah, but it is perfect for the basement.
That little volume knob really works ya' know. It doesn't have to be at 10 (or 11 for that matter). The 6505 sound is created in the preamp, and there is no real powertube distortion like you get with other amps so you don't get more gain by turning it up, you just give your self tinnitus.
+ the cool factor of a 1/2 stack is tough to beat with a little amp.
Damn, if I keep this up, I'm going to talk myself into buying one, which I don't need.
I was generalizing. As I'm sure you know, most tube amps sound best when they are cranked a bit. My old 5150 you had to crank up a bit before it started sounded decent. I never ran it fully cranked, even playing large venues. Even at 2-3 it was painfully loud and would make an acoustic drum kit disappear. Where as solid state generally sound better when kept at more modest volumes because you can get a lot of clipping and other undesirables at higher volumes.
On that note, what is your opinion on the little lunchbox amp heads? I mean the 1w, 5w, 20w type tube heads. I am really digging the ENGL Ironball from what I have heard. Seems like these guys would be more appropriate for rocking out a bedroom/garage than their 100w counterparts. My only first hand experience with these little tube amps was the Randall RD1H Diavlo at a local shop. I plugged a Gibson Explorer in not knowing what it the amp was exactly other than it was the nearest amp and it was powering a 4-12 cab. I was shocked when the resident longhair came by and told me that it was only 1w (tube). I am amazed it even powered that cab, let alone the fact that it actually didn't sound too bad. Very few features, just a volume, gain and single tone control. Fully cranked you could easily have a conversation over the amp.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/mfan4NB59js[/youtube]
The only one I have heard before were the small Orange ones. I'm not really a fan of the Orange sound though. Just not for me.
I do like the idea of mini heads, but following some guitar forums, the guys in the know say that they are all still loud as hell until you get down to the 1 and 5 watt ones. The old 18watt Marshall clones still drown out the drummer if you want to.
There was a Peavey article released recently that talked about them making a mini 6505 head. Once it comes out and is vetted, There is a decent chance that I end up with one. http://assets.peavey.com/news/releases/615_30737.pdf
I do like the idea of mini heads, but following some guitar forums, the guys in the know say that they are all still loud as hell until you get down to the 1 and 5 watt ones. The old 18watt Marshall clones still drown out the drummer if you want to.
There was a Peavey article released recently that talked about them making a mini 6505 head. Once it comes out and is vetted, There is a decent chance that I end up with one. http://assets.peavey.com/news/releases/615_30737.pdf
I am not a fan of Orange, either. I've monkeyed around with a couple of them (Tiny Terror, Micro Terror, Dark Terror and the Jim Root one). Just not my bag. With a little tweaking you could probably get some killer Mastodon type tones out of most of them, but I prefer something with a little more balls. I don't doubt that those in the 15-20w range are capable of some insane volume. Tube watts go quite a bit farther than solid state.
Ok, what is everyone's opinions on detuning or 7-8-9 string guitars? Should we just leave the lower frequencies to the bass player?
I am cool with detuning or 7-8-9 stringers, but it has to be done right and you have to know how to properly equalize your guitars so you're not competing with the bassist and so you do not sound like a flabby, muddy mess.
Another question: Does detuning make you heavier? I don't think so. Look at bands like Pantera, early Opeth, Cannibal Corpse, Lamb Of God, etc. Bands that stay in or close to standard tuning. To me it is all about your writing ability and tuning makes little difference in the heaviness.
I am cool with detuning or 7-8-9 stringers, but it has to be done right and you have to know how to properly equalize your guitars so you're not competing with the bassist and so you do not sound like a flabby, muddy mess.
Another question: Does detuning make you heavier? I don't think so. Look at bands like Pantera, early Opeth, Cannibal Corpse, Lamb Of God, etc. Bands that stay in or close to standard tuning. To me it is all about your writing ability and tuning makes little difference in the heaviness.
TrueNorthReptiles said:
For $2500, it better sound bad ass but it doesn't change my opinion.
TrueNorthReptiles said:
Lower tunings seem to happen because of the vocalist from what I can tell . If you voice is to low for E std, then it doesn't make much sense to play there. Volbeat, Motley Crue, and FFDP are examples.
Slayer has been plenty heavy for some 30 or more years and they seem heavy enough in E flat tuning .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yew9L0Xjm_g
Jeff H said:
Yeah really, I could never justify $2,500 for an amp no matter how good it sounds. Most boutique amps leave me shaking my head.
If you have to drop your tuning because of your singer, you need a new singer. Look at the low notes that Mikael Akerfeldt, Chris Barnes, George Fisher, Egan O'Rourke/Nathan Ellis, Matt Barlow, etc and none of them go below half a step down.
However, I do love drop C.
What do you tune to?
The only down tuning I ever do is drop D because it's how most, if not all, of Tool's songs are played. I really dig playing Tool songs Their music is one of the few I can make sense of on the fretboard... and the I get the timing. It's a much more natural rhythm for me
Instead of spending all of that money on an amp, just get the Line 6 Mobile POD app on your phone, get the input jack, and you can model any amp you want. I'm a fan of Line 6.... My 15 watt Spider IV was rattling my windows today
Instead of spending all of that money on an amp, just get the Line 6 Mobile POD app on your phone, get the input jack, and you can model any amp you want. I'm a fan of Line 6.... My 15 watt Spider IV was rattling my windows today
TrueNorthReptiles said:
Aren't you that doofus?
What kind of Crate is it? I've had pretty decent luck with Crate amps. One of my first amps was a Crate.
Yup! But it worked. Plug and play!
It's a one of those crates with the number '5' on the front. I remember MF had a blowout sale so everyone bought it at some ungodly price for a tube amp. I did some modding inside based on a thread in one of the guitar forums (TGP??) and slapped a Celestion in it.
This might be the link: http://www.thefret.net/showthread.php/9379-Crate-V5-mods-anyone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eXGbux7DCY
I played guitar, violin, viola, all four common saxophones, flute (brass and skin), and quad drums along the way ... musical capability is the counter-example to my reading comp/learning disabled self ...
Been some years now, but I can still hear when it's right
... musical capability is the counter-example to my reading comp/learning disabled self ...Been some years now, but I can still hear when it's right
LOL Siccy.
Two best parts were the "death metal" pedal in the 1st vid and the "can you just scoop the mids" in the 2nd.
My BIL was over last month and messing around with my guitar. 1st thing he did was scoop the hell out of the mids and crank the bass and gain up so high it sounded like a muddled mess. He liked it though.
Two best parts were the "death metal" pedal in the 1st vid and the "can you just scoop the mids" in the 2nd.
My BIL was over last month and messing around with my guitar. 1st thing he did was scoop the hell out of the mids and crank the bass and gain up so high it sounded like a muddled mess. He liked it though.
Jeff H said:LOL Siccy.
Two best parts were the "death metal" pedal in the 1st vid and the "can you just scoop the mids" in the 2nd.
My BIL was over last month and messing around with my guitar. 1st thing he did was scoop the hell out of the mids and crank the bass and gain up so high it sounded like a muddled mess. He liked it though.
Noooo! You never scoop your mids! That is where all your clarity and meat is! My old bandmate used to do that crap. Bass 10, Mids 0, Treble 10, Gain 10. He did the same thing with his EQ pedal to further boost and scoop everything. Then he would crank it so damn loud that it created a painful, shrill tone that muddied up the bass player. He used to always complain that he couldn't hear himself. Well of course you aren't coming in clear. I know how to use my mids and properly EQ myself. So did the bass player and drummer.
I always boost my mids and my high mids (high mids can be tricky). Then I roll off the bass to create a tighter bottom end (Let the bassist do his job!). And I roll off the highs a bit because I HATE a shrill, overly bright tone. You create a lot clearer, meatier tone that way, but there are a few frequencies that can get in the way and every guitar, amp and player is different, so this is not a golden rule. If you use your ear and common sense, you should be able to find that sweet spot.
Another thing that I wish more guitarist would realize. Distortion is NOT the same as crunch. Listen to all the great guitarist and their signature tones. That is crunch! You will NOT get that tone if you rely on a "death metal" pedal dimed out.
TNRedit: Ok, I take back that past part. There are a few guitarists whose signature tones, which are loved by many, that are based on the distortion or scooped mids and not crunch I spoke of. A good example would be Dimebag Darrell from Pantera. He used solid state Randall amps for most of his career and his tone was very much like the tones you could create with the aforementioned distortion pedal. He is one of my favorite guitarists and a legend and a lot of people love his tone, but to me it is shrill, staticy and not at all organic. That was his only flaw, in my opinion. Metallica has some pretty horrific tones to me as well (save for their "Ride The Lightning" album).
Scooped mids is for the guys and gals at home playing. When you're out there, mid-range booster!!!! You want to be heard. Step on that boost pedal.. boost those mids during your solo!!!
I owned an HM-2 (pre-Death Metal or Metal Zone Pedal). That's gone, I have a metal distortion pedal from... I forgot but, it's black LOL and two buttons. I can get a perfect MegaDave tone, but I never use it. I prefer a good OD or boost (I have a timmy clone) into a tube amp, which gives you the "CRUNCH"
I owned an HM-2 (pre-Death Metal or Metal Zone Pedal). That's gone, I have a metal distortion pedal from... I forgot but, it's black LOL and two buttons. I can get a perfect MegaDave tone, but I never use it. I prefer a good OD or boost (I have a timmy clone) into a tube amp, which gives you the "CRUNCH"