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Wiriwiri · Feb 8, 2020

Well it's about time to step up at home plate & present my Wild line-up card.Many players added will shore up my batting line-up courtesy of CD, hopefully hit a few dingers,go yard ,clear the bases and in the end have a # of web gems to show off.So let the games begin. Many are proven big leaguers so that should put me ahead of the count,right!And I promise to play clean,without cheating absolutely no (base) stealing...no, not gonna do it ;) ,speaking of;the Astros cheating scandal grows with each passing week. :rofl: enjoying the humiliation thou'. Another shoe is about to drop on a nearby team...can't wait for Spring Training to begin. These were started on 1/28/20 using my ...

Capsicum Connoisseurs · Aug 19, 2020

Hi THP members So this will be my new season glog, last season i kinda never completed my glog as i got too busy with work and peppers and didnt find enough time to post updates so i will do my best to keep adding my progress here. My 2020/21 season pepper list is as follows pot Chaguanas yellow 1. 7 pot red 2. 7 pot yellow 3. 7 pot douglah 4. 7 pot evergreen 5. 7 pot barrackpore 6. 7 pot Barrackpore chocolate 7. 7 pot bubblegum Jobito chocolate 8. 7 pot primo chocolate 9. 7 pot primo red 10. 7 JPN Dark 11. Aji Cristal 12. Aji criolla sella 13. Aji fantasy 14. Aji cream fantasy 15. Aji White fantasy 16. Aji cito 17. Andy's unreaper 18. Apocalypse scorpion chocolate 19. Baby belle pimento 20. Barra do ribeiro 21. Bbg...

FarWestPep · Jun 13, 2020

Terrible puns aside, I'm getting a very late start to the growing year. This is my first attempt at growing peppers, but I'm hoping that I can get some experience and some hot sauce by the end of the year. Fortunately I live in a mild climate and I think that means I can grow into winter. My plan was to get started in March, but due to what's happened this year, I haven't had the opportunity until recently. On top of that, two separate orders of seeds I ordered never arrived so I'm not getting to plant all that I wanted, but I've got a few seeds in the works. I've been raring to go and annoying my wife :P , but I decided to get started with what I have on hand and try to salvage what's left of the year. Here are the seeds I've...

TattooedBullfrog · Nov 9, 2019

Started the carolina reapers a few days ago for a winter grow the temp is averaging 84.6-85.1F. Just fine tuning the station before planting the rest in Jan/Feb 2020.

Fatalii_Llama · Feb 18, 2020

2020 Grow Log- I am a novice still, but learning a ton and thought it would be fun to document my success and FAILURES. It might prevent others from falling into the same traps I have. Goals for 2020: Grow tons of varieties of peppers so I can try them all and really hone in on what types I really love and what types I wont bother with in future years. This is truly the year of exploration into this wonderful hobby. I also plan to harvest seeds so that I can save money next year! Shout out to all members who also generously sent me seeds or did trades with me this winter!! Challenge of 2020: I am moving in the spring/summer! This list is daunting to say the least considering my circumstances, but I must try anyway! I do not expect...

SCARBO · Oct 22, 2020

Hey folks, I'm attempting to store my own chile and tomato seeds this year and had some questions about how to go about it. I've got each variety is its own little sealed seed packet and have all of the packets now in a sealed storage container. I've read in a couple places that they should go into either a refrigerator or a freezer. I'm curious if one is better than the other and why. I'm also curious whether I should be putting any packets of desiccant in with the seeds to keep them dry. Do any of you do this? If so, do you put them in each and every packet, or do you simply put them into the container into which the seeds are stored? Let me know, would you? Thanks. SCARBO

Tybo · Dec 23, 2019

Well after looking through lots of glog's, I decided to try doing one myself. Hopefully I can keep it updated regularly and improve with photo quality along the way. That being said------I"M LATE! Yep, this first post is 10 days late. Meaning I started some seeds 10 days ago. I guess my excuse is that we've been trying to get ready for the holidays here. Anyway, I was lucky enough to get on the 2019 seed train and when B train showed up here, I was able to get some seeds that I probably wouldn't have thought of getting on my own. It's a little early to start my main grow but I wanted to get something going so I chose to start some wild seeds that I got off the train. Some of these came from Canedog. (The Cap. 524 and 1445 and...

Powelly · Oct 19, 2020

Terrible at logging every year, lets see if I have better consistency this time! I have a new son, born in January this year. So I only had time to grow one pepper bought from my local bunnings - a habenero. It's been in the pot about 2 weeks now. This pot is now in it's 4th consecutive year with absolutely no fertiliser - just 100% pure organic. I also last watered this pot in February 2018 despite living in Adelaide, South Australia where we had 358 millimetres of rain last year in 2019. I have some red and red clover growing in the pot as well at the moment, these will most likely die off when it gets warm but for now they are doing a great job fixing nitrogen

Harry_Dangler · Dec 19, 2019

Dangler's 2020 Plan ..... Looking forward to getting started. Group A (Target start: End of January) 7 Pot Brainstrain Amnesia Bhut Jolokia Red (Dangler's Red Bhut) Bhut Jolokia Solid Gold Bonda Ma Jacques Death Spiral Scorpion Leviathan Gnarly Caramel Scorpion Red CARDI Scotch Bonnet Beth Boyd Scotch Bonnet Freeport Orange Scotch Bonnet Stuffing Star Scream White Hot Lime Whynot Group B (Target start: Group A + 2 Weeks) ..... We're thinking this group has some real potential. Aji Ahuachapan Aji Cachucha Aji Fantasy Aji Margariteno Aji Panca Lima Antep Aci Dolma Antohi Romanian Bacskai Feher Biquinho Iracema CAP 455 Chervena Chuska Chilhuacle Negro Corbaci Cowhorn Cubanelle Long Tall Sally Dolmalik Biber Ferenc Tender Giant...

Bhuter · Mar 22, 2020

Hello! I might as well try this. List is still in progress. Yes, I'm way behind, but who's in a hurry, anyway? Lol Here's what has germinated and is now in the dirt. More to come. Waiting on germination. Cinder F5 Black Naga x Peri-Peri F3 (Brown) Volante MustardGum NagaBrain Purple BBG x 2 JPGS x Primo x 2 GSM (Grocery Store Mystery...Brown) Brown Moruga Black Panther Berry Amarillo Later added as germinated: Rocoto Oculta CLEF Caramel Moruga Chocolate Scotch Bonnet Purple Reaper I'll leave this recipe for Depression Bread here...just in case...

SuburbanFowl · Sep 30, 2020

After a big failure last year (I killed my plants with excess neem oil), I have started a new grow. I'm growing in pure Coco coir (a few plants have some perlite mixed in because I ran out of coco). A lot of tips and tricks came from blisters grow logs. I've finally found a setup that works for me. Here are some of the strains I'm growing. Trinidad X strain variant Devil's brains Brain stinger Peach ghost Jami Coyote Zan white Chocolate fatalii Yellow fatalii SB7J Moruglah Bahamian goat Purple ufo Chocolate bhutlah SM Carolina reaper 7pot brain strain yellow 7pot nebru Yellow nagabrains Yellow scotch brains Chocolate Naga brains X reaper Trinidad moruga scorpion yellow Tasmanian habanero Pink Tiger x Peach Bhut Big black mama...

lespaulde · Jan 9, 2020

Good day to all my fellow pepperheads out there. Given that 2020 is well underway, I figured it's time to get my new glog going. I'm hoping this year's will be full of delicious peppers, learning moments, new things to try out and last but not least, a lot of fun growing these tasty little devils together with the awesome community that makes THP the mecca it is. I'm almost exclusively growing new varieties this year, which is not due to the fact that I didn't like last year's peppers, but rather taking the opportunity to create the illusion of making a dent in trying the many cultivars that have found their way onto my bucket list. I've sourced seeds from various places including Semillas and South Lincs Chili boys, and am forever...

bpiela · Dec 4, 2019

Getting to the point where I will start seedlings for 2020. Still finalizing seed lists. I need to buy some new lights this year. I have brought inside the following plants that I grew in containers with plans to overwinter: Amarillear 7 Pot Bubblegum White Aji Charapita Bhut Jolokia Red Bhut Jolokia White W Strain Bonda Mahala F4 CAP 691 Mini Red Rocoto x2 Riesen Rocoto Rocoto Yellow The Aji Charapita was not happy and quickly perished. The other plants are doing well, but I seem to have gotten a bit of an aphid infestation. My plan is to take the plants out of the containers, recycle the old soil into my garden beds, wash the plants off and douse in Insecticidal soap, trim root ball if needed, trim plants if needed and...

internationalfish · Apr 26, 2020

39 is a multiple of 13, and that makes it cool. That very important point out of the way, I've actually started planting for the season, so I figured I might as well start migrating to a new thread. How is it that I've gone through three glogs here already? I feel far internet-older than I should. Rather than leading with the full plan, which I've already beaten to death in the winter thread, here are the first victims. Yep! Not peppers. I'm going to try some companion plants. After some wicked aphid and stink bug infestations made my life less pleasant last year, I figure not only could this help keep them out, it wouldn't be bad to have some herbs. They're at least as stupidly expensive to buy in grocery stores here as they...

snagglepuss · Dec 18, 2018

well my grow is up & running some seedlings but most are in the propagator, my list so far consists off CHINENSE 1 PEACH BHUT WM X JONAH 2 BENEGAL NAGA PEACH 3 SWAMP THING 4 PINK TIGER X PEACH BHUT 5 UMOROK CHOCOLATE 6 PURPLE CHUPETINHO 7 BAHAMIAN BEAST MUSTARD 8 UBSC X SB 9 BBG7 TABASCO 10 HABANADA 11 PEACH MORUGA 12 BIQUINHO AMARELO 13 7 POT CINDER 14 TEMPEST 15 BRUTALITY 16 BANESTRAIN WHITE 17 AJI PANCA LIMA 18 GOTTA HAB IT 19 PURPLE BULLET 20 BOOGER ARMSTRONG RED 21 BIQUINHO VERMELHO 22 DA BOMB 23 ABYSS 24 BURMESE X REAPER 25 LEVIATHIAN SCORPION 26 CHUPATINO X REAPER 27 YELLOW REAPER 28 HURT BERRY 29 PDN X BONDA WHITE CHINENSE 30 PDN X BONDA VIOLET 31 SAIPAN 32 PURPLE GHOST SCORPION 33 MANGO HAB 34 SKITTLE 35 MORUGA UV 36...

heinz123456 · Aug 14, 2020

Thoughts anyone? Growing some chocolate habanero,peach ghost pepper,reaper caramel, chocolate trinidad moruga scorpion and yellow reaper. Pictures do not show every plants.

TyNW · Sep 7, 2020

Hi all, This is my first glog here, I just joined the forums, so please allow me to catch you all up- I started seeds in a greenhouse in late January-early feb. i plant ~5 seeds per 4in pot, load up trays with pots on heat mats under lights in greenhouse. Usually Ill lay a sheet of clear plastic over the soil surface to keep in humidity until I see sprouts. I had lots of varieties, but most seeds were old, and I think I was using old recycled soil too... so I had pretty bad germ rates. What did sprout has done excellent. We have: 3x Aji criolla sella 5x Aji dulce #6 18x Aji Inca red drop 2x guajillo 5x Aji pilange 8x chilhuacle negro 2x mboga So 43 plants Plus a few more, either overwintered from last year, or late starts. But lets...

Walchit · Apr 18, 2020

Tagged most of what I'm growing. Plus 1 type of sweet pepper we call the Goat D, a crossed version of primavera jalapeno,shishito,and Purple Thunder. Need to put everything up to 1 gallon pots. Only using 1 light so far. I have 3 each of the 15 types(some duplicates from different sources)and some backups. pic upload

K1ng_k1ller · Sep 9, 2020

So I got a late start this past summer and didn't get my Ghost planted until late May. The place I was living didn't have a yard, so it was potted and didn't get much light on the patio. It didn't start flowering until I moved in august and it started getting more sun, and then we had our first snow a couple days ago, So I decided I'm over wintering it. I've never done this before so I was hoping for some advice. I built a green-house outside it can spend some time in, I've got a couple of big windows it can sit by, and my roommate has a grow light that I'll be able to start using a few months from now. ps, I'm getting error 406 when I try to attach a photo.

Wicked Mike · Sep 4, 2020

Hello, my fellow chileheads! Hope youre all doing well (or at least, the best you can under the circumstances). Finances/real life forced me to abandon Wicked Mikes several years ago. Did a stint as grower of herbs and vegetables for the company that supplies the Home Depot stores under the Vigoro tag before finally landing at a boutique plant nursery specializing in oddities. I finally really came into my own on the plant thing, branching out into all kinds of ornamentals and even aquatic plants. Ill be posting more on the peppers going forward, but for the moment, heres a glimpse of what Ive been up to:

podz · Mar 31, 2020

So this is it folks, I've recovered my password and bought 10 seedlings today from Jukka "Fatalii" Kilpinen. Didn't start any of my own seeds due to laziness, though I still might start some to sell. Pubescens -------------- 3 x Rocoto Marlene 2 x Big Brown 1 x Mini Rocoto 1 x Costa Rica Annuum --------------- 1 x Jalapeno Early Baccatum ------------------ 1 x Lemon Drop Chinense ------------------- 1 x Fatalii Photos coming tomorrow when I clean the junk out of my sauna and establish the grow room again.

alkhall · Mar 1, 2020

About 3 weeks late getting started this year, but I doubt it will make much difference. Getting away from doing mostly super-hots and going with more 'edible' varieties. 2020 GROW BELLS CALIFORNIA WONDER GREAT STUFF HONEY CRISP BIG DIPPER RED MERCURY ORANGE (SUPERMARKET BELL PEPPER) JALAPENOS JALAPENO EARLY BIKER BILLY JALAPENO M BIG GUY CAYENNE JOES LONG ECUADORAN HOT LEMON HOTS SCOTCH BONNET SCOTCH BRAIN SCOTCH BRAIN FL CROSS GNARLY CHOCOLATE BHUT SUPER BHUT (JW) STAR SCREAM LITTLE BASTARD PEACH GHOST JAMI CPR (FROM LAST YEARS PODS) RED PRIMO (FROM LAST YEARS PODS) I plan on doing lacto-ferment on a lot of Jalapenos, and also a few quarts of Scotch Brains/Scotch Bonnets. Anyway, pics will follow. Good luck and happy...

ShowMeDaSauce · Jan 28, 2020

2 CARDI Scorpion 2 Nasty brown Reapers 4+ Aji Oro 2+ Numex Lemon Spice...Oops Orange Spice 4ish more jalapenos 4 Aji Panca 4 Bonnets 4+ Antep Aci Dolma... got both RFC and Fords seeds now 2 Joes Long Cayenne....loved these for cayennes 4+ Chilhuacle negro [chee-WAH-lee]...Its a brown spicy bell from Mexico 4 Aji Amarillo. 2 Death Spiral...from Baker Creek aka Rare Seeds. Possibles from CCN seedlings 2 Chilhaulce Rojo.....red variety 1 Golden Greek 1 7 Pot Madballz 2 Thunder Mountain Longhorn....The guy at one of my favorite Asian restaurants loved them and you cant get them anywhere unless you grow them . Still feel like im forgetting one more?

Sleeper67 · Jan 20, 2020

Hello everyone, Hope that everyone is doing good! I wanted to start this grow log a month ago but been busy. I forgot to save my early on photos from seed start but oh well here is what I did save up to now. I will be doing things different this year. Last season I went organic route for growing and enjoyed the process however it was a lot of learning. Also last season I went with drip irrigation and built out my own set up which was interesting to learn the durations and how often was the best to water. At the end of the season I had it down. I also used 7gallon fabric pots. Soo this season I will be skipping the drip irrigation, the fabric pots( well maybe only use 4or5) I will be continuing to grow organically and up my game...

MrSpiffy · Apr 22, 2020

Well... I'm late to the party, and have almost no plan. But, here goes my grow log for 2020. I just planted seeds today. (I know... as I said, I'm late to the party.) Varieties include:Red habanero (one of my all-time favorites) Dragon's Tongue cayenne Aji Pineapple Aji Mango Aji Rainforest I was recently the lucky beneficiary of a huge variety of seeds on another forum. A user offered free seeds, we conversed, I said I like sweet and fruity hot peppers, I sent a few bucks for postage, and I got 36 varietals at my doorstep! I picked out a few from my new cache. The only ones I've grown previously are the red habaneros. I grow in pots on my porch. The last few seasons have been just miserable. I had aphids one year, and...

kanikedude03 · Feb 24, 2020

Seeds for 2020 Grow

smallergrowing · May 26, 2020

Hello everyone thanks for stumbling on my GLOG. My first one ended in a "failure" in that I had to terminate all the plants during moving. Well the good news is I'm moving again in a few weeks, it's been such lovely times. For now I am in an apt and have about 7 pepper plants huddling for warmth around a powerful but too small grow light. I have enough lighting for them, I am just space limited right now. It is temporary, I am buying a house with a very nice garden in the back so they will be in their forever homes shortly. I plan on keeping them in containers and over-wintering them for some ridiculous harvests next year! Thought this would be a good place to start the GLOG as the next move should be the last, and it will be very...

PepperFish · Mar 16, 2020

So I've been wanting to start a grow log of this year but as usual I'm running late. I got laid off last week (thanks Corona Virus) so I figured now that I have all this new found time on my hands I would finally get started, better late than never they say. First a little about what I'm trying to do. My lady and I recently bought a property in zone 7b in the Piedmont of North Carolina. I had been working full time and putting any extra money into starting a farm. Obviously my recent unemployment has thrown a wrench in the gears and without the off farm income to invest into the property things will move at a slower pace, but my ultimate goal has not changed. I am still working on most of my plots, having to break ground on...

Peppergator · May 3, 2020

Here we go, it has been over 5 years since I’ve done an honest grow, and unfortunately most my genetics seem to have gone south. My seed binder sat in a hot box in garage for too long after our move, and my collection has been gutted! On to the the positive! I was able to get some plants to pop and currently have young plants of the following. Carbonero Farmers Market Jalapeno NuMex Orange Spice Jalapeno Tiger Jalapeno Bahamian Goat Kardoula Coyote Zan White Red, yellow, and chocolate Devil’s tongue Tepiquin Naranja Picante Random hot garden cross (think Naga and Bonnet) Aji Arnaucho Ahi meloconton Aji Largo Aji Limo Moruga Reaper Mini Red Rocoto Turbo Pube MOA Scotch Bonnet Jaune Texas Long Horn Mustard Fatalii Home Sweet Home...

Essegi · Jan 22, 2020

Hi guys, how are you? It's a while i don't visit glogs... Last year i haven't even opened one. Long story short: grew Bleeding Jigsaw and Jalapenos from Semillas. Also bought a red rocoto, just in case. Well, it has been my worst year, as soon i planted out stuff there's been at least 2 weeks of cold and rain. Then some other rain... Jalapeno was ok. I even learnt to cook them slower than usual to get better and most consistent results... Bleeding Jigsaw, i dunno, didn't impressed me that much: 1) i've kept two plants, no one bleeded. 2) i've given away some plants, many, if not all, bleeded. It's mid low end super, so enough for me, not very productive (1 plant barely produced any pod, the other some and started to produce nearly...

Leifi · May 4, 2020

So, I thought I'd start a glog, primarily to keep track of what I am doing and when, to remember next year what went wrong and what went well, and to force some order into the chaos that is my growth. Glog is starting a bit late perhaps, considering the growing has been going on since late July 19, not sure if those are true Ow's, or just a reeeeaaally early start of 2020 season...? This is my first ever pepper grow, I am quite hooked already, and planted some more seeds yesterday, although I have already run out of space. Usual story, it's my impression from other Glogs! Quick resumé of the History: July 19, first seeds planted. 3 Yaki blue 2 Urfa 2 Criolla da cocina 2 Jalapeño 2 Trinidad Perfume 2 Pablano 100% Germination rate...

Eberry787 · Feb 27, 2020

Hey everyone! I'm new to the forum, but I have been reading several of your Glogs and other posts. Lot's of very helpful information here for a first time grower. I have loved hot sauce and spicy food for as long as I can remember. I've grown tired of the grocery store sauces and care rarely find fresh peppers hotter than Habanero. So, I started researching how to grow superhots. This is my first attempt and I'm having a blast. Here are a couple pictures of my progress thus far. Growing: Carolina Reapers, Trinidad Moruga Scorpion and Bhut Jolokia Setup: 3x3 tent, Mars Hydro Reflector 1000w grow light Nutrients: Fox Farms until it runs out or I move them outside and then will swtich to Dyna-Grow I plan to make some weapons...

Raputin · May 14, 2020

Hello, Since "les saintes glaces" are over (period between 11-13th of May, after it's expected it won't be freezing anymore), I'm already put few of my peppers in bigger pots ready to be put outside as soon as the temperature will be high enough over night. So here we have: Fatalii, Cayenne, peter pepper, habanada and sweet red pepper, others pots are tomatoes, chocolate bell pepper and gherkins.

johnny1990 · Jul 24, 2020

I have 5 3500K autocobs from http://cobshop.net in a 3'x5'x7' reflective indoor tent. Two on each side and 1 in the middle of the tent. Positioned like a 5 side of a dice. The lights need to stay about 15''-22'' away from the top of the plants. This was quite hard to figure out at first since the lights didn't come with directions. I'm hoping to breed a pepper to another pepper to make a smallish hot banana hybrid. That will be fun. Here are the peppers started indoors just recently for indoor production over the winter. The plan is to grow these peppers in 10'' pots until they produce or get too big. Then I'll bonchi a few to find out how bonsai chilies produce. On to the pics Ray's Sweet Habanero Orange Pepperoncini ...

HillBilly Jeff · Nov 14, 2019

Another year and it probably won't be much of a glog again. Would be nice if I could link my fb pics into here. Not too sure on what all I will be growing. Always promise myself I am trimming it back, but I still run with a lot of varieties. Hoping to find some good 7 pot burgandy and yellow scorpions for the upcoming season. Somewhere along the way my yellows didn't pan out and all the seeds I have gotten for me haven't grown out to my liking.

D3monic · Jan 19, 2020

Starting the seedlings for this years grow. Hopefully a better year than last year.

nice.chili · Aug 1, 2020

Started the year exactly on New Year's Day with 5 each of the following seeds: Cappuccino scotch bonnet Espelette Faria Hot amish finger MOA scotch bonnet Red habanero Red rocoto Sugar rush peach Good germination rate with at least 4 of each :), except the rocotos for which unfortunately none germinated :( . Picked the best two of each, planted in rock wool cubes and put under LED lights. Didn't get around to taking any pics of the seedlings, but ...

Uncle Eckley · Feb 22, 2020

Baby plants again! Down on the floor again next to my chair in my little library. Here's how it looks right now. I've got seeds in the germinator moving to cups every day now, will end up with another dozen or so seedlings under the light. I'm scaling back from the 20+ plants I had last year to seven or eight plants, some in Kratky containers of various sizes, others in fabric pots with dirt. The list: 10G D - Sugar Rush Peach - WDC 10G D - P. Dreadie - CD 5G D - JPGS - WHP 5G D - 1208 Red - UE 5G K - 1208 Red - UE 5G K - 7 Pot Jonah - WHP 32G K - Haskorea - PtMD989 1G K - Rocoto Arequipa Giant Red - CD Bonchi start - 7 Pot Yellow - BB Kratky will be Botanicare CNS17 Grow and bottled spring water at first, tap water...

HeatMiser · Jan 10, 2020

Well here it is - after a two year hiatus, I decided to get myself a new grow light (HLG 100), grow peppers again and join this community. I decided to it simple this year and grow fewer varieties from seeds I already have. These were packaged in 2014 or earlier so it will serve as a viability test as well. After talking with my wife, we decided on the following 4 varieties 1 Super Hot: Trinidad Moruga Scorpion. Seeds from the Chile Pepper Institute packaged in 2013. 1 Ornamental: Numex Twilight. Seeds from the Chile Pepper Institute packaged in 2012. 2 Varieties for Cooking: Jalafuego. Seeds from tomatogrowers.com. Packaged before 2014 Chiltepin. Seeds I collected after a trip to Texas in 2014. I have the following goals...

D3monic · Apr 29, 2015

Click for Currently Crossed List- Will keep it updated as new crosses are added. Butch T Yellow and Bahamian Goat won the poll! Aji Omni Color (4 votes [8.16%] Bahamian Goat (14 votes [28.57%] Butch T Yellow (9 votes [18.37%] Aji Crystal (3 votes [6.12%] Caribbean Red Habanero (3 votes [6.12%] Paper Lantern Habanero (7 votes [14.29%] Bolsa De Dulce (3 votes [6.12%] White Bhut (6 votes [12.24%] Alrighty folks! It's almost plant out time and that means that my basement and lights are going to be freed up for some crossing projects through the summer. I have 4 DWC buckets available for growing peppers indoors all summer. (not to mention racks for seedling growout) 2 spots are already taken by White Fatalii and...